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How Chinese Food Fueled the Rise of California Punk
- milsorgen 7y agoGreat read until "intersectionality" showed up.
- dang 7y agoPlease don't bring up the most irritating detail you encountered in an article. Discussions here are supposed to be driven by curiosity, and that's not curiosity. This is covered by the site guideline: "Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." This is especially important when there aren't any comments yet, because threads are so sensitive to initial conditions. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- skyyler 7y agoThe word "intersection" showed up once. The word "intersectionality" did not appear in the article. What is your complaint about the term?
- messick 7y agoTo a certain group of people, any words that reference (or in this case, words that look similar to different words that reference) the concept that perhaps Christian White Males are not the very pinnacle of civilization trigger an extreme reaction.
- PhasmaFelis 7y agoYou mean the phrase "intersection of Southeast Asian refugee identities and punk music"? Are you seriously so angry about feminism that just looking at a word that resembles a word you associate with feminism makes you dismiss a whole article?
- dang 7y agoPlease don't take threads further into flamewar, or make gotcha comments about obvious errors. That's not curiosity either. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- creaghpatr 7y agoThe article was great, I will be interested to see the documentary especially if they've got video footage from some of the shows.
- almost_usual 7y agoYou should check out The Decline of Western Civilization, definitely video footage of some of these shows (LA specific) in that documentary. Edit: The full documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gc4yrcdAok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gc4yrcdAok Another fun fact is the director also directed Wayne's World.
- creaghpatr 7y agoWow that looks awesome I will check that out.
- ilamont 7y agoThere's a video of a Dead Kennedys show at Mabuhay Gardens and at the end the owner or someone working for venue gets up on stage and, exasperated, tells people to go home even though the crowd is still wired.
- malingo 7y agoAlso check out the documentary "Los Punks: We Are All We Have" which covers the Latino punk scene in LA. https://www.kqed.org/news/10985167/documentary-reveals-l-a-s-secretive-backyard-latino-punk-scene https://www.kqed.org/news/10985167/documentary-reveals-l-a-s...
- Isamu 7y agoJust yesterday out of nostalgia I downloaded some classic songs by X - Los Angeles, Under the Big Black Sun, etc. Fun shows! I don't have any of my old vinyl anymore. Anybody here still holding onto your old albums?
- mixmastamyk 7y agoI stupidly sold all my good albums in the late 90s in a final move to digital. A few years later my uncle gave me his best, and I was smart enough to keep them. So I have original Sgt. Pepper's and Dark Side of the Moon, etc.
- jyrkesh 7y agoX was my one of my dad's favorites growing up in LA, and I got to see them a couple years ago at The Fillmore with him and my brothers. Was a very good time, glad they're still out touring here and there.
- tdumitrescu 7y agoAbsolutely. I'm always a bit anxious because I haven't digitized most of my records (i.e. made backups of the music at least) but I can't imagine getting rid of the physical objects even once I have. It was such a huge part of my experience growing up. Luckily today most new records also come with free download codes so you get both at once!
- gwbas1c 7y agoI want to know more about the broken toilets!
- moate 7y agoAs someone who's been to plenty of punk shows and plenty of punk clubs, I promise you that you do not.
- gcbw2 7y agoN.B. it has some confusing passages to people that doesn't know L.A. very well. e.g. "Chinese immigrants had started moving to suburban enclaves like the San Gabriel Valley, bypassing Chinatown and its businesses completely" and then proceed to tell an anecdote from a restaurant in the very heart of downtown chinatown.
- jhbadger 7y agoBut that was the point of the passage -- downtown Chinatown restaurants started renting out to punk concerts because the suburban migration was depriving them of customers.
- mistrial9 7y agothe punks were certainly the most health-toxic sub-culture in post-hippy California.. definitely early pain-killer abusers, plus glue or extreme alcohol, etc. not uncommon to hear of deaths, treachery or jail.. SF Fab-Mab ruler Dirk was later found to be sexually using adolescents pretty regularly .. lead singer of Fang on America's Most Wanted national TV for killing a girl over heroin, things like that .. freedom has a price ! and if the songs regularly invoke violence and madness, guess what, it actually results in violence and madness.. who would have guessed
- yters 7y agoBut if it is 'rap music' violence, madness, drug use, rape, etc. are fine, because if you say otherwise you are racist. Maybe it is racist to not hold all human beings to the same standard of decency?
- kjeetgill 7y agoThe key difference is that the Punk subculture sprung up around the music, where much of the 'rap music' was reflective (exaggerated and glamorized) of an existing situation and subculture. I think you can still argue that violent rap music incites or inspires crime though. I think you can generally criticize effects, but you skirt the line with racism when you start projecting that too broadly.
- yters 7y agoI don't see the difference. Rap music seems to go hand in hand with the subculture. If it wasn't glamorized, I doubt it'd exist, at least to the degree it does. Same with punk. If the punk lifestyle was not glamorized through the music, then the punk subculture would not exist. My point is that it is racist to not hold all people to the same moral standard, because in effect we are saying those we do not hold accountable are not capable.
- oarabbus_ 7y agoYou are abysmally misinformed on the history of hip hop. >My point is that it is racist to not hold all people to the same moral standard, Ah, in that case you agree that _every_ American slaveowner in the South was a bad, immoral, evil person, right? Same goes for all Germans in WWII.
- fit2rule 7y agoPunk made its way to China, where .. it did not quite survive as one might have hoped: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/film-review-beijing-punk_b_712248 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/film-review-beijing-punk_b_71...
- Epopeehief54 7y agoGreat photos. It's so appropriate that they come out swinging with Alice Bag - the Bags were just the best. I must have seen 50 shows at the Hong Kong - not so many at Madame Wongs, but I did see the 1st B52's LA show there (B52's would be Wongs prototypical band - more "new wave" than punk). But EVERYBODY who was real played at the HK. You would get these fantastic lineups, like the Germs, Bags, Fear and Crowd all on the same bill. Early on, the GoGo's were more aligned with pure punk than pop, and so they played at the HK instead of MW's. Won't get into everybody I saw at the HK (which would be, you know, everybody) but I did see Lydia Lunch and James White there - both from New York.
- triplee 7y agoNow this is the sort of news I can use.