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I wonder if they're just now finding new things by simply running the software in a simulator, what more will they find, and what does this say to their continu
by mevile 7y ago
I wonder if they're just now finding new things by simply running the software in a simulator, what more will they find, and what does this say to their continued assurances as to the safety of this plane?
- blackflame7000 7y agoOn the flip side, all airplanes have flaws to some degree or else they would never crash. A deep audit of everything in the end should make things safer. And Boeing also has a solid safety record on their other models 777 and 767
- ceejayoz 7y agoAircraft don't have to have flaws to crash, unless you count the human pilots, air traffic controllers, maintenance crews etc. as flaws. You could have a perfect aircraft with no flaws, and a human could still manage to crash it. See the Germanwings flight for a good example.
- blackflame7000 7y agoThe flaw was allowing a single pilot in the cockpit and allowing the co-pilot to get locked out. But yes I do agree that in theory its possible to have a perfect aircraft and still crash due to some act of God. Nevertheless the context was with respect to making an aircraft with known flaws safer
- VBprogrammer 7y agoYou could hardly describe that as a flaw when the alternative was 9/11. It's a trade off on balance of probabilities. A suicidal copilot can still to this day crash any aircraft with only slightly more creativity. For example hitting the fuel cutoffs at 500ft after takeoff.
- avar 7y agoThe alternative isn't a repeat of 9/11. You're assuming that passengers aren't a whole lot more motivated to overpower hijackers after 9/11 than before. One reason 9/11 could happen is that passengers generally assumed a hijacking was mostly a scary inconvenience, not a life-or-death situation.
- magduf 7y agoExactly; another 9/11 situation is impossible now. They just need to keep doing screenings of passengers and their carry-ons to make sure no one can bring obvious weapons on board; anything else is unnecessary and possibly counterproductive. If someone tries to hijack the plane using razor blades or whatever, the passengers will literally murder them.
- ceejayoz 7y agoIt still doesn't hurt to keep them out of the cockpit, though. Quickly stabbing the pilot to death is likely to at least kill or injure a plane's worth of passengers.
- magduf 7y agoTrue, but what if the pilot is having an emergency, or the copilot has decided to commit suicide while the pilot went to the bathroom? There should be a way of getting the door open quickly if enough people authorize it (perhaps at least 2 crewmembers).
- VBprogrammer 7y agoI'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not. If not you have a lot of faith in people's willingness to sacrifice themselves to save others.
- magduf 7y agoI guess you haven't been paying attention, because there have been hijacking attempts since 9/11, and they did not go very well for the hijackers.
- jussij 7y agoBoeing also has a solid safety record on their other models 777 and 767 and an incredibly poor safety record for their 737-MAX model. The problem for Boeing is the history of flying has many examples of planes with poor safety records being rejected by the flying public. Only time will tell if the 737-MAX joins that illustrious group, but the more the plane stays in the news for all the wrong reasons, the better are it's chances.
- blackflame7000 7y agoThe original 737 had a terrible safety record at first because of a rudder hard-over flaw. It then went on to become the most used in history
- pvg 7y agoThat doesn't sound right. The 737 went into service in the late 60s. There were two confirmed fatal accidents involving rudder hardover in the 90s.
- blackflame7000 7y agoBy Original I meant the NG version
- pvg 7y agoBoth accidents attributed to rudder hardover took place before the 737 NG first flew in 1997.
- blackflame7000 7y agoThere were a lot more than just 2 rudder incidents. USAir Flight 427 United Airlines Flight 585 Eastwind Airlines Flight 517 Silkair Flight 185 Copa Airlines Flight 201 China Southern Airlines Flight 3943 MetroJet Flight 2710
- SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago> Boeing also has a solid safety record on their other models 777 and 767 You seem to be overlooking the 787 - a few early models set on fire. Sure, nobody died, but that was more luck than judgement.
- _ph_ 7y agoI think there are several factors at play. First of all, the 737 MAX is getting scrutinized extremely thoroughly now. Whatever went wrong with the original certification, authorities are looking with extra attention so they are not missing anything this time. Then I think, that as a consequence of the analysis of the two crashes, in general a better understanding of certain flight states has been reached. In the light of this better understanding, other bugs might be discovered which previously have been missed.