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Re: [A Web page is a document.] No it's not. It started out that way, but grew to TRY to replace GUI's, Flash, etc. We need three different standards: one for

by tabtab 7y ago

Re: [A Web page is a document.] No it's not. It started out that way, but grew to TRY to replace GUI's, Flash, etc. We need three different standards: one for documents (HTML may be good enough); one for media, art, and games; and one for desktop-like GUI's. There may be some overlap between these, but the one-size-fits-all of HTML/CS/JS has been a big messy time-sink where otherwise simple UI tasks take rocket science and luck to get right.

orange8 7y ago
We already have 3 different standards: HTML, CSS, JavaScript. These are low level enough, and powerful enough that you can build document, multimedia or application frameworks on top of them. Simple UI tasks don't take rocket science, they take a proper understanding of those three standards, and a lot of discipline.
- tabtab 7y ago
  Re: "Simple UI tasks don't take rocket science, they take a proper understanding of those three standards, and a lot of discipline." I appears to me you are contradicting yourself. It comes across as: "It doesn't take the discipline of rocket science, but merely the discipline of rocket science". GUI's didn't take "a lot of discipline" in say VB-classic, Delphi, or Oracle Forms[1]: you dragged it to where you intended it to be, and Wazaam, it was there and always there. WYSIWYG was a huuuge time-saver. Now to do it right you have to test on dozens of platforms and versions because they each have a mind of their own. WYSIWYG gave you one central coordinate reference point, not 30 different positioning engines. Re: "We already have 3 different standards: HTML, CSS, JavaScript." That's part of the problem, not a solution. They are not domain-specific, for one. [1] They had glitches, but were getting better over time.
  - orange8 7y ago
    rocket sceince !== proper understanding rocket science !== discipline VB-classic, Delphi, or Oracle Forms have whats known as drag-and-drop/visual programming. Comparing them to CSS & HTML isn't a fair comparison, unless you compare that to a drag-and-drop GUI that creates HTML & CSS for you.
    - tabtab 7y ago
      HTML & CSS can't do WYSIWYG sufficiently, especially if text is involved. Thus it's apples to black-holes.

by tabtab 7y ago

orange8 7y ago

We already have 3 different standards: HTML, CSS, JavaScript. These are low level enough, and powerful enough that you can build document, multimedia or application frameworks on top of them. Simple UI tasks don't take rocket science, they take a proper understanding of those three standards, and a lot of discipline.

tabtab 7y ago
Re: "Simple UI tasks don't take rocket science, they take a proper understanding of those three standards, and a lot of discipline." I appears to me you are contradicting yourself. It comes across as: "It doesn't take the discipline of rocket science, but merely the discipline of rocket science". GUI's didn't take "a lot of discipline" in say VB-classic, Delphi, or Oracle Forms[1]: you dragged it to where you intended it to be, and Wazaam, it was there and always there. WYSIWYG was a huuuge time-saver. Now to do it right you have to test on dozens of platforms and versions because they each have a mind of their own. WYSIWYG gave you one central coordinate reference point, not 30 different positioning engines. Re: "We already have 3 different standards: HTML, CSS, JavaScript." That's part of the problem, not a solution. They are not domain-specific, for one. [1] They had glitches, but were getting better over time.
- orange8 7y ago
  rocket sceince !== proper understanding rocket science !== discipline VB-classic, Delphi, or Oracle Forms have whats known as drag-and-drop/visual programming. Comparing them to CSS & HTML isn't a fair comparison, unless you compare that to a drag-and-drop GUI that creates HTML & CSS for you.
  - tabtab 7y ago
    HTML & CSS can't do WYSIWYG sufficiently, especially if text is involved. Thus it's apples to black-holes.