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These kinds of comments make me so disappointed. You are out of touch. Labeling people that you don’t understand as “fascist” is going to lead you to a shitho

These kinds of comments make me so disappointed. You are out of touch. Labeling people that you don’t understand as “fascist” is going to lead you to a shithole. Get out of your bubble, arm yourself with some compassion, and go try and understand what motivates people to disrupt the status quo. Most trump supporters hate fascism. You are deluding yourself by tossing a mr. yuck sticker on people you don’t understand.

OldManTheo 7y ago
I'm not an American and not in America but I find it hard to mentally integrate comments like this when it is quite clear the Trump government is appealing to fascist ideals. Perhaps I'm wrong and we should all be putting children in cages. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/25/americas/mexico-photo-of-father-and-daughter-dead-in-rio-grande/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/25/americas/mexico-photo-of-...
- xyzzyz 7y ago
  So the guy tried to swim across Rio Grande, killed himself and his child in the process of doing so, and this somehow means that Trump government is fascist? Well, I guess that would make sense if he tried to swim to escape from the US, but seems like he actually was trying to get inside the "fascist" state. The kids in cages are also there because the parents tried very hard to get them inside the "fascist" state. Seems pretty irresponsible on their side, to put their children in the "fascists" hands, doesn't it?
  - OldManTheo 7y ago
    No, the authoritarian (anti-media, judge filling, etc) and nationalistic (trade wars, rejecting international treaties, etc) policies do. The human stories are just the result of those policies.
    - xyzzyz 7y ago
      Can you explain how the authoritarian and nationalistic policies make humans so eager to get here that try to swim across Rio Grande with their child tucked under the shirt?
      - OldManTheo 7y ago
        It's not the policies, it's the long period of the USA being a high income and (relatively) low crime country in comparison to neighboring countries. Which I don't attribute to any individual president.
asdfgasd 7y ago
Trump supporters are fascists though and Trump is a fascist. Read any European account of the rise of fascism and the parallels are obvious. Eco's is preference, but there are tens of well written analyses. > Most trump supporters hate fascism. Most trump supporters have no idea what it is. > go try and understand what motivates people to disrupt the status quo. I have. It's a lack of improvement to their material reality from either party. That's understandable and fine. Deciding that you should support fascism because of it is not fine.
- dang 7y ago
  Please don't take HN threads further into partisan flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
bduerst 7y ago
I'm not GP, but your straw man is just as disappointing. - Nobody here is saying trump supporters are fascists. - Nobody here is even saying that the_donald subreddit represents all of Trump supporters. So why are you playing that card? GP is talking about the effectiveness of the deplatforming of hate speech in context to a subreddit that has been reported as inciting violence. The same subreddit that supported the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally that resulted in a Neo-Nazi murdering Heather Heyer. Whether or not you think that extends to all Trump supporters, and are disappointed by that, is your own inference. Don't attack GP because of it though.
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  Literally the next comment (at the time I read this, by asdfgasd) literally begins with "Trump supporters are fascists". It's flagged and dead, but it's there (if you have showdead turned on).
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  - bduerst 7y ago
    asdfgasd is not the GP, who the commenter before me is propping up a straw man against and attacking. They commenter before me is the one talking about all of trump supporters being facist before asdfgasd even commented, so how is what you are saying relevant?
    - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
      You said "Nobody here is saying trump supporters are fascists." I supplied a counterexample. That's how it's relevant.
      - bduerst 7y ago
        Nobody was saying it until the person I responded to did. What you provided isn't a counterexample.
dang 7y ago
On HN, please make your substantive points without personal swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
archagon 7y ago
If the Republican party is representative of most Trump supporters, they are very obviously authoritarian, far-right nationalists. I don’t see how you could possibly think otherwise. Given how much graft, debauchery, hypocrisy, and cruelty has been shown by this administration, what sensible argument could still be made for supporting Trump—unless the answer is purely “power?” I have also not seen a shred of evidence that Trump supporters “hate fascism,” unless you count the various boogeymen that they have labeled fascist (antifa, socialism, feminism).

OldManTheo 7y ago

I'm not an American and not in America but I find it hard to mentally integrate comments like this when it is quite clear the Trump government is appealing to fascist ideals. Perhaps I'm wrong and we should all be putting children in cages. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/25/americas/mexico-photo-of-father-and-daughter-dead-in-rio-grande/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/25/americas/mexico-photo-of-...

xyzzyz 7y ago
So the guy tried to swim across Rio Grande, killed himself and his child in the process of doing so, and this somehow means that Trump government is fascist? Well, I guess that would make sense if he tried to swim to escape from the US, but seems like he actually was trying to get inside the "fascist" state. The kids in cages are also there because the parents tried very hard to get them inside the "fascist" state. Seems pretty irresponsible on their side, to put their children in the "fascists" hands, doesn't it?
- OldManTheo 7y ago
  No, the authoritarian (anti-media, judge filling, etc) and nationalistic (trade wars, rejecting international treaties, etc) policies do. The human stories are just the result of those policies.
  - xyzzyz 7y ago
    Can you explain how the authoritarian and nationalistic policies make humans so eager to get here that try to swim across Rio Grande with their child tucked under the shirt?
    - OldManTheo 7y ago
      It's not the policies, it's the long period of the USA being a high income and (relatively) low crime country in comparison to neighboring countries. Which I don't attribute to any individual president.

asdfgasd 7y ago

Trump supporters are fascists though and Trump is a fascist. Read any European account of the rise of fascism and the parallels are obvious. Eco's is preference, but there are tens of well written analyses. > Most trump supporters hate fascism. Most trump supporters have no idea what it is. > go try and understand what motivates people to disrupt the status quo. I have. It's a lack of improvement to their material reality from either party. That's understandable and fine. Deciding that you should support fascism because of it is not fine.

dang 7y ago
Please don't take HN threads further into partisan flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

bduerst 7y ago

I'm not GP, but your straw man is just as disappointing. - Nobody here is saying trump supporters are fascists. - Nobody here is even saying that the_donald subreddit represents all of Trump supporters. So why are you playing that card? GP is talking about the effectiveness of the deplatforming of hate speech in context to a subreddit that has been reported as inciting violence. The same subreddit that supported the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally that resulted in a Neo-Nazi murdering Heather Heyer. Whether or not you think that extends to all Trump supporters, and are disappointed by that, is your own inference. Don't attack GP because of it though.

AnimalMuppet 7y ago
Literally the next comment (at the time I read this, by asdfgasd) literally begins with "Trump supporters are fascists". It's flagged and dead, but it's there (if you have showdead turned on).
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- bduerst 7y ago
  asdfgasd is not the GP, who the commenter before me is propping up a straw man against and attacking. They commenter before me is the one talking about all of trump supporters being facist before asdfgasd even commented, so how is what you are saying relevant?
  - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
    You said "Nobody here is saying trump supporters are fascists." I supplied a counterexample. That's how it's relevant.
    - bduerst 7y ago
      Nobody was saying it until the person I responded to did. What you provided isn't a counterexample.

dang 7y ago

On HN, please make your substantive points without personal swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

archagon 7y ago

If the Republican party is representative of most Trump supporters, they are very obviously authoritarian, far-right nationalists. I don’t see how you could possibly think otherwise. Given how much graft, debauchery, hypocrisy, and cruelty has been shown by this administration, what sensible argument could still be made for supporting Trump—unless the answer is purely “power?” I have also not seen a shred of evidence that Trump supporters “hate fascism,” unless you count the various boogeymen that they have labeled fascist (antifa, socialism, feminism).