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I don't understand the cat and mouse game conservatives play with Bay-area companies. These companies are blatantly bias against anyone right of their political

I don't understand the cat and mouse game conservatives play with Bay-area companies. These companies are blatantly bias against anyone right of their political bubble, but conservatives keep using them and being surprised and outraged when they're censored. On the other hand, these companies are playing dumb and doing mental back flips to try to justify their blatant bias and claim neutrality because they only want to run off the conservative thought leaders, and keep most of the users. Conservatives just need to move off of these platforms. They're private property, let them have their bubbles. This moral outrage at being censored is a waste of time, and staying on these platforms just continues to enrich them. I'm all for avoiding echo chambers, but it's futile to try to have neutral debate on a biased platform.

krapp 7y ago
Why are you trying to associate the extremist views of The_Donald, and the violent, separatist rhetoric there and on other platforms, with mainstream conservatism?
- AlexB138 7y ago
  I've never read a single post in The_Donald, and only rarely read reddit as a whole. I couldn't claim any idea of the group's views (though the habit of claiming the other team's ideas are things like "violent, separatist rhetoric" is pretty common, so pardon me if I don't take your word for it). I'm simply talking about the trend with conservatives, and those right of center, in general. I don't have any particular love for the modern Republican party. I'm just pointing out how ridiculous it is for them to setup shop on platforms owned by their political rivals and then be surprised when excuses are found to shut them down.
  - krapp 7y ago
    There is no trend. Plenty of conservative and right-wing subs still exist on Reddit, plenty of conservatives and right-wing commenters are still on Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, etc. There has been no general purge of conservative or right-wing content from social media. Also, it's odd that you seem to have missed the specific context of this thread entirely, to the point of never even having read The_Donald once, and having no idea of the nature of their politics, much less the alleged actions leading to their quarantine. Did you just comment based on the title alone?
    - CapricornNoble 7y ago
      "There is no trend......There has been no general purge of conservative or right-wing content from social media." I would highly encourage you to expand the variety of information sources you visit. A good one I learned about recently is allsides.com, which collates and lists sources the Left, Right, and Center provides their perspectives on each issue. The site also has a rating system where it ranks various websites and even individual authors along the Left/Right spectrum, AND enables the community to vote for whether they agree with AllSides' assessment. With that out of the way, allow me to share a few deplatformings: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-20/chase-bank-de-platforms-conservative-performance-artist-martina-markota https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-20/chase-bank-de-plat... ^This is a bank, not strictly social media. But I'm leading with this one as it's had a minor personal impact on me. I've backed her LadyAlchemy comic on IndieGoGo, and I'm sure losing her bank account and the associated issues has delayed production of the comic. So all of this anti-right and anti-Trump lunacy has reached a point where a minority (me) can't efficiently transact a comic purchase from a female (Markota) because service providers are losing their minds over politics. But I keep getting told that progressives are all about diversity and inclusion.... https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-09/chase-bank-abruptly-bans-proud-boys-leader https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-09/chase-bank-abruptl... Same bank. Note that the Proud Boys are often characterized as far-right Nazi racists....but their leader is mixed Cuban/black. https://medium.com/@randodave/big-tech-censorship-out-in-full-force-lauren-southern-permanently-banned-from-patreon-jordan-5d18c006937d https://medium.com/@randodave/big-tech-censorship-out-in-ful... ^Lauren Southern was banned from Patreon. She also had her major documentary about illegal aliens and human trafficking into Europe mysteriously unavailable on the day it released on her YT channel: https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/1132292346232463360 https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/11322923462324633... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/02/facebook-ban-alex-jones-milo-yiannopoulos https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/02/facebook-... ^The Guardian characterizes a gay man in an inter-racial relationship as "far-right". MILO and banned from Twitter. Alex Jones banned from...practically everything. https://www.libertariannews.org/2019/06/13/youtube-deletes-black-pigeon-speaks/ https://www.libertariannews.org/2019/06/13/youtube-deletes-b... ^BP's channel was restored, though, about 2 weeks ago. https://www.businessinsider.com/jordan-peterson-says-hell-launch-patreon-alternative-before-christmas-2018-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/jordan-peterson-says-hell-la... ^This was in response to Patreon deplatforming Carl Benjamin. Count Dankula: https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/04/count-dankulas-discord-channel-censored-discord-without-warning/56948/ https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/04/count-dankulas-discord... ^Keep in mind this is a guy who was ARRESTED for making a joke YT video with a pug. https://www.businessinsider.com/steven-crowder-youtube-channel-demonetized-2019-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/steven-crowder-youtube-chann... ^Carlos Maza wanted Steven deplatformed, YT did a compromise and wiped out his funding instead. https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/05/08/return-of-kings-founder-roosh-v-banned-from-instagram-and-chasewepay-after-tour-announcement/ https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/05/08/return-of-kings-fo... Pick-up artist turned MRA activist RooshV banned from Instagram and Chase WePay. And a number of other Red Pill and/or Mens' Rights Activist channels have been deleted or had their content flagged on YT, including: UndeadChronic, Kris Cantu, and Mike the The MGTOW Monk to name a few. M TMM moved podcasting on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Q1WtocUW9OcUCEnhH0l1l https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Q1WtocUW9OcUCEnhH0l1l UndeadChronic in particular mostly makes "roast" videos....which seems to be bordering on "hate speech" these days, so he was repeatedly flagged for basically being mean to people.
- gaze 7y ago
  How is mainstream conservatism different from The_Donald? It's simply its logical conclusion.
opportune 7y ago
On the contrary, bay area companies want right wing politics on their platforms (it generates a lot of content and thus a lot of money, after all) but some conservatives tend to break code of conduct rules regarding hate speech and calls to violence, and for whatever reason when they do it makes the news, even though it is a minority of conservatives. There are still going to be lots of conservative people on reddit even if /r/The_Donald gets banned, and there are still tons of conservative people on youtube, facebook, etc. Just because a few highly controversial right wing personalities have been removed from these platforms (usually for hate speech) doesn't mean the platforms are biased against conservatives in general

krapp 7y ago

Why are you trying to associate the extremist views of The_Donald, and the violent, separatist rhetoric there and on other platforms, with mainstream conservatism?

AlexB138 7y ago
I've never read a single post in The_Donald, and only rarely read reddit as a whole. I couldn't claim any idea of the group's views (though the habit of claiming the other team's ideas are things like "violent, separatist rhetoric" is pretty common, so pardon me if I don't take your word for it). I'm simply talking about the trend with conservatives, and those right of center, in general. I don't have any particular love for the modern Republican party. I'm just pointing out how ridiculous it is for them to setup shop on platforms owned by their political rivals and then be surprised when excuses are found to shut them down.
- krapp 7y ago
  There is no trend. Plenty of conservative and right-wing subs still exist on Reddit, plenty of conservatives and right-wing commenters are still on Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, etc. There has been no general purge of conservative or right-wing content from social media. Also, it's odd that you seem to have missed the specific context of this thread entirely, to the point of never even having read The_Donald once, and having no idea of the nature of their politics, much less the alleged actions leading to their quarantine. Did you just comment based on the title alone?
  - CapricornNoble 7y ago
    "There is no trend......There has been no general purge of conservative or right-wing content from social media." I would highly encourage you to expand the variety of information sources you visit. A good one I learned about recently is allsides.com, which collates and lists sources the Left, Right, and Center provides their perspectives on each issue. The site also has a rating system where it ranks various websites and even individual authors along the Left/Right spectrum, AND enables the community to vote for whether they agree with AllSides' assessment. With that out of the way, allow me to share a few deplatformings: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-20/chase-bank-de-platforms-conservative-performance-artist-martina-markota https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-20/chase-bank-de-plat... ^This is a bank, not strictly social media. But I'm leading with this one as it's had a minor personal impact on me. I've backed her LadyAlchemy comic on IndieGoGo, and I'm sure losing her bank account and the associated issues has delayed production of the comic. So all of this anti-right and anti-Trump lunacy has reached a point where a minority (me) can't efficiently transact a comic purchase from a female (Markota) because service providers are losing their minds over politics. But I keep getting told that progressives are all about diversity and inclusion.... https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-09/chase-bank-abruptly-bans-proud-boys-leader https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-09/chase-bank-abruptl... Same bank. Note that the Proud Boys are often characterized as far-right Nazi racists....but their leader is mixed Cuban/black. https://medium.com/@randodave/big-tech-censorship-out-in-full-force-lauren-southern-permanently-banned-from-patreon-jordan-5d18c006937d https://medium.com/@randodave/big-tech-censorship-out-in-ful... ^Lauren Southern was banned from Patreon. She also had her major documentary about illegal aliens and human trafficking into Europe mysteriously unavailable on the day it released on her YT channel: https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/1132292346232463360 https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/11322923462324633... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/02/facebook-ban-alex-jones-milo-yiannopoulos https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/02/facebook-... ^The Guardian characterizes a gay man in an inter-racial relationship as "far-right". MILO and banned from Twitter. Alex Jones banned from...practically everything. https://www.libertariannews.org/2019/06/13/youtube-deletes-black-pigeon-speaks/ https://www.libertariannews.org/2019/06/13/youtube-deletes-b... ^BP's channel was restored, though, about 2 weeks ago. https://www.businessinsider.com/jordan-peterson-says-hell-launch-patreon-alternative-before-christmas-2018-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/jordan-peterson-says-hell-la... ^This was in response to Patreon deplatforming Carl Benjamin. Count Dankula: https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/04/count-dankulas-discord-channel-censored-discord-without-warning/56948/ https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/04/count-dankulas-discord... ^Keep in mind this is a guy who was ARRESTED for making a joke YT video with a pug. https://www.businessinsider.com/steven-crowder-youtube-channel-demonetized-2019-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/steven-crowder-youtube-chann... ^Carlos Maza wanted Steven deplatformed, YT did a compromise and wiped out his funding instead. https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/05/08/return-of-kings-founder-roosh-v-banned-from-instagram-and-chasewepay-after-tour-announcement/ https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/05/08/return-of-kings-fo... Pick-up artist turned MRA activist RooshV banned from Instagram and Chase WePay. And a number of other Red Pill and/or Mens' Rights Activist channels have been deleted or had their content flagged on YT, including: UndeadChronic, Kris Cantu, and Mike the The MGTOW Monk to name a few. M TMM moved podcasting on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Q1WtocUW9OcUCEnhH0l1l https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Q1WtocUW9OcUCEnhH0l1l UndeadChronic in particular mostly makes "roast" videos....which seems to be bordering on "hate speech" these days, so he was repeatedly flagged for basically being mean to people.
gaze 7y ago
How is mainstream conservatism different from The_Donald? It's simply its logical conclusion.

opportune 7y ago

On the contrary, bay area companies want right wing politics on their platforms (it generates a lot of content and thus a lot of money, after all) but some conservatives tend to break code of conduct rules regarding hate speech and calls to violence, and for whatever reason when they do it makes the news, even though it is a minority of conservatives. There are still going to be lots of conservative people on reddit even if /r/The_Donald gets banned, and there are still tons of conservative people on youtube, facebook, etc. Just because a few highly controversial right wing personalities have been removed from these platforms (usually for hate speech) doesn't mean the platforms are biased against conservatives in general