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Tribalism is based on blood ties between member of a group. This has nothing to do with nationalism which is the most evoluted social structure where blood ties

Tribalism is based on blood ties between member of a group. This has nothing to do with nationalism which is the most evoluted social structure where blood ties where replaced by common morales, culture and languages. Tribalism is a very low form of social structure, highly linked to our primal condition of mammal individual. Nationalism and sovereignety are far more advanced social structure in an attempt to extract ourself of our natural condition. Modern society based on compound of different community, and political communautarism are just a major fallback to our primary mammale condition and an systematic attempt to destroy superior form of social structure. And i would not much trust the thinking of a proselyte member of one of the most tribalistic social group on earth, expressing his opinion about universal society, due to the fact that his mind has from birth a tribalistic biais.

deogeo 7y ago
> This has nothing to do with nationalism A nation is just a larger tribe - people are more closely related to others in their own nation, than to those in foreign nations.
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- netmonk 7y ago
  "people are more closely related to others in their own nation, than to those in foreign nations." Thank you mister Obvious. But the first part of your sentence just serves your desires by an over-simplification and reduction of the topic. No, a nation is not a larger tribe. Just try to explain all the atrocities which happened in Africa since colonialists retired from the continent. Try to keep several tribes inside the same border of a nation, and see the Rwanda result... :)
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  - deogeo 7y ago
    Why does treating a nation as an extended tribe require explaining atrocities in Africa? If someone claimed a tribe is an extended family, would you demand he explain family feuds?
    - netmonk 7y ago
      Because when the central power which designed the border and defined them as a nation, is going away, old tribal tension and conflict are resurging. Leading to inter-tribe genocide. Therefore, tribalism has nothing to do with nationalism... :)
      - muckrakerz 7y ago
        You are missing the point. He's explicitly saying those _States_ aren't _Nations_. Hence the term "Nation-State" where a state is coterminous with a nation.
- claudiawerner 7y ago
  I'm curious as to what extent this sense of feeling closely related is also a product of ideology and further how it's reacting to globalization. Can this feeling of closeness be tied to particular biological factors, and how do we know if it can? How is it that many of us (especially online) feel much closer to individuals from other places than to our own countrypeople?

deogeo 7y ago

> This has nothing to do with nationalism A nation is just a larger tribe - people are more closely related to others in their own nation, than to those in foreign nations.

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netmonk 7y ago
"people are more closely related to others in their own nation, than to those in foreign nations." Thank you mister Obvious. But the first part of your sentence just serves your desires by an over-simplification and reduction of the topic. No, a nation is not a larger tribe. Just try to explain all the atrocities which happened in Africa since colonialists retired from the continent. Try to keep several tribes inside the same border of a nation, and see the Rwanda result... :)
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- deogeo 7y ago
  Why does treating a nation as an extended tribe require explaining atrocities in Africa? If someone claimed a tribe is an extended family, would you demand he explain family feuds?
  - netmonk 7y ago
    Because when the central power which designed the border and defined them as a nation, is going away, old tribal tension and conflict are resurging. Leading to inter-tribe genocide. Therefore, tribalism has nothing to do with nationalism... :)
    - muckrakerz 7y ago
      You are missing the point. He's explicitly saying those _States_ aren't _Nations_. Hence the term "Nation-State" where a state is coterminous with a nation.
claudiawerner 7y ago
I'm curious as to what extent this sense of feeling closely related is also a product of ideology and further how it's reacting to globalization. Can this feeling of closeness be tied to particular biological factors, and how do we know if it can? How is it that many of us (especially online) feel much closer to individuals from other places than to our own countrypeople?