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The subreddit moderators provided the admin logs, showing that on average, 1 post per day was actioned on by reddit admins. "Biggest headache" yeah, right.

by gfosco 7y ago

altcognito 7y ago
I doubt their headaches were limited to only a single post on average per day.
MrStonedOne 7y ago
For admins thats a high amount, They require moderators moderate for the reddit rules as well as the subreddit rules to ensure they don't have to step in.
- uncoder0 7y ago
  To be fair, in the same logs it shows they removed mod permissions from one of the mods. The picture it paints is that the Admins were making it harder for them to moderate the subreddit.
  - bduerst 7y ago
    The mod was removed because they violated Reddit rules of not using mod positions to promote financial gain. The mod was promoting his gofundme campaign and broke the rules. This same mode also delisted three other mods, which was making it harder to moderate the subreddit. Interpreting these actions as site admins intentionally making it more difficult for moderators of that subreddit is cognitive dissonance.
AaronFriel 7y ago
The members of the the_donald had a history of breaking rules and crying foul any time any sort of administrative action was taken against them for it. Whether it was for brigading and harassment, or flooding modmail in other subreddits, or other actions. The result was that after the banning of the just as toxic "fatpeoplehate", admins were loathe to interfere with t_d. Any administrative response was met with charges of politicization, "liberal bias", and more rule-breaking. I'm surprised it's taken this long, but it appears that Reddit's staff waited until they had an obviously non-partisan reason for doing it. In this case, threatening police officers. I think they wanted to wait until they had a reason that would be difficult for people to turn into a partisan brawl that would give Reddit bad publicity. Imagine if you will the difficulty conservative sites may have in threading the needle that t_d is simultaneously being persecuted here for their conservative, pro-Trump political views, and that the particular views they were banned for were making violent threats to law enforcement.
- gfosco 7y ago
  I don't think there are many subreddits that praise and love law enforcement more than the_donald. They used a Media Matters hit piece to censor and contain one of the most popular subs, for purely partisan reasons.
  - bduerst 7y ago
    Did you read the Media Matters piece? Here it is in case you hadn't: https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2019/06/24/A-pro-Trump-subreddit-is-full-of-calls-for-violence-in-support-of-Oregon-Republicans/224018 https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2019/06/24/A-pro-Trump... Scroll down and read the screenshots. It doesn't quite matter what the subreddit praised before when they still broke the rules.
    - DuskStar 7y ago
      If I make a sockpuppet and post the same comments in r/politics, does that mean it should get quarantined? A lot of those screenshots are "1 point, 11 minutes ago" or "2 points, 17 minutes ago". If that's being expanded to cover an entire subreddit, then no sub would be safe when applied consistently.
      - bduerst 7y ago
        If you look at these accounts, many are 1+ years old. Calling them sock puppets is confirmation bias to avoid reading the article.
        DuskStar 7y ago
        Age is not a good determination of sockpuppetness, at least with competent opponents. Past activity might be, since that at least costs something, while age just costs prep time.
        bduerst 7y ago
phailhaus 7y ago
Reddit is composed of tens of thousands of subreddits, and relies on volunteer moderators to police them. For a single subreddit to demand at least one admin intervention a day is absurd.
- leereeves 7y ago
  One of reddit's most active subs would naturally demand more than most of those ten thousand mostly niche subs.
  - phailhaus 7y ago
    Do you have a data source showing this? Can we compare the amount of admin intervention across subreddits?
    - deleted 7y ago
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    - leereeves 7y ago
      Comparing the amount of intervention the admins would not be a useful indicator of anything except their bias. As evidence of that bias, consider their curation of r/popular, where they choose what to show. They actively promote posts from the left and actively hide posts from the right. For example, this 18 hour old Democrat talking point [1] with 10k net upvotes is displayed before numerous posts that received 3x to 8x as many net upvotes in less time. And extreme left wing subs continue to be featured on r/popular (many brigading and harassing right wing subs) while reddit restricts right wing subs. 1: https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/c5kuhx/ukrauthammerspool_describes_why_saying/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/c5kuhx/ukrauthammer...
      - phailhaus 7y ago
        > Comparing the amount of intervention the admins would not be a useful indicator of anything except their bias So first you claim that any other popular subreddit would have as much admin intervention, but then you say that we shouldn't actually investigate this claim because even if we found that you were wrong, you're still right? Also the "net upvotes" that Reddit displays are not literal net upvotes. Those numbers are fudged in order to prevent conveying too much information. Reddit skews liberal, this is no surprise. The height of a post depends on what subs you are subscribed to, and on r/all it depends on the preference of everybody else. Which skews liberal.
AngryData 7y ago
Doesn't the fact that such a heavily modded subreddit required administrators to intervene on a daily basis show it is a problem? Reddit admins shouldn't have to do almost anything to any highly trafficked and moderated subreddits. A different subreddit might be able to claim "Well there wasn't enough mods to catch a few comments falling through the cracks", but on the most heavily moderated subreddit on the entire site? I find it hard to believe that no mods saw the comments with calls to violence. Especially since T_D had been warned multiple times previously about poor moderation. Their response to such warnings in the past has always been some form of "Yeah well what are you going to do about?! We have lots of viewers!"
pizzazzaro 7y ago
Remember when u/Seattle4Truth, radicalizes on Reddit, shot his parents for being "liberal cucks"? He posted about it in advance on r/The_Donald. People cheered him on.

The subreddit moderators provided the admin logs, showing that on average, 1 post per day was actioned on by reddit admins. "Biggest headache" yeah, right.

by gfosco 7y ago

The subreddit moderators provided the admin logs, showing that on average, 1 post per day was actioned on by reddit admins. "Biggest headache" yeah, right.

altcognito 7y ago

I doubt their headaches were limited to only a single post on average per day.

MrStonedOne 7y ago

For admins thats a high amount, They require moderators moderate for the reddit rules as well as the subreddit rules to ensure they don't have to step in.

uncoder0 7y ago
To be fair, in the same logs it shows they removed mod permissions from one of the mods. The picture it paints is that the Admins were making it harder for them to moderate the subreddit.
- bduerst 7y ago
  The mod was removed because they violated Reddit rules of not using mod positions to promote financial gain. The mod was promoting his gofundme campaign and broke the rules. This same mode also delisted three other mods, which was making it harder to moderate the subreddit. Interpreting these actions as site admins intentionally making it more difficult for moderators of that subreddit is cognitive dissonance.

AaronFriel 7y ago

The members of the the_donald had a history of breaking rules and crying foul any time any sort of administrative action was taken against them for it. Whether it was for brigading and harassment, or flooding modmail in other subreddits, or other actions. The result was that after the banning of the just as toxic "fatpeoplehate", admins were loathe to interfere with t_d. Any administrative response was met with charges of politicization, "liberal bias", and more rule-breaking. I'm surprised it's taken this long, but it appears that Reddit's staff waited until they had an obviously non-partisan reason for doing it. In this case, threatening police officers. I think they wanted to wait until they had a reason that would be difficult for people to turn into a partisan brawl that would give Reddit bad publicity. Imagine if you will the difficulty conservative sites may have in threading the needle that t_d is simultaneously being persecuted here for their conservative, pro-Trump political views, and that the particular views they were banned for were making violent threats to law enforcement.

gfosco 7y ago
I don't think there are many subreddits that praise and love law enforcement more than the_donald. They used a Media Matters hit piece to censor and contain one of the most popular subs, for purely partisan reasons.
- bduerst 7y ago
  Did you read the Media Matters piece? Here it is in case you hadn't: https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2019/06/24/A-pro-Trump-subreddit-is-full-of-calls-for-violence-in-support-of-Oregon-Republicans/224018 https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2019/06/24/A-pro-Trump... Scroll down and read the screenshots. It doesn't quite matter what the subreddit praised before when they still broke the rules.
  - DuskStar 7y ago
    If I make a sockpuppet and post the same comments in r/politics, does that mean it should get quarantined? A lot of those screenshots are "1 point, 11 minutes ago" or "2 points, 17 minutes ago". If that's being expanded to cover an entire subreddit, then no sub would be safe when applied consistently.
    - bduerst 7y ago
      If you look at these accounts, many are 1+ years old. Calling them sock puppets is confirmation bias to avoid reading the article.
      - DuskStar 7y ago
        Age is not a good determination of sockpuppetness, at least with competent opponents. Past activity might be, since that at least costs something, while age just costs prep time.
        bduerst 7y ago

phailhaus 7y ago

Reddit is composed of tens of thousands of subreddits, and relies on volunteer moderators to police them. For a single subreddit to demand at least one admin intervention a day is absurd.

leereeves 7y ago
One of reddit's most active subs would naturally demand more than most of those ten thousand mostly niche subs.
- phailhaus 7y ago
  Do you have a data source showing this? Can we compare the amount of admin intervention across subreddits?
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
  - leereeves 7y ago
    Comparing the amount of intervention the admins would not be a useful indicator of anything except their bias. As evidence of that bias, consider their curation of r/popular, where they choose what to show. They actively promote posts from the left and actively hide posts from the right. For example, this 18 hour old Democrat talking point [1] with 10k net upvotes is displayed before numerous posts that received 3x to 8x as many net upvotes in less time. And extreme left wing subs continue to be featured on r/popular (many brigading and harassing right wing subs) while reddit restricts right wing subs. 1: https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/c5kuhx/ukrauthammerspool_describes_why_saying/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/c5kuhx/ukrauthammer...
    - phailhaus 7y ago
      > Comparing the amount of intervention the admins would not be a useful indicator of anything except their bias So first you claim that any other popular subreddit would have as much admin intervention, but then you say that we shouldn't actually investigate this claim because even if we found that you were wrong, you're still right? Also the "net upvotes" that Reddit displays are not literal net upvotes. Those numbers are fudged in order to prevent conveying too much information. Reddit skews liberal, this is no surprise. The height of a post depends on what subs you are subscribed to, and on r/all it depends on the preference of everybody else. Which skews liberal.

AngryData 7y ago

Doesn't the fact that such a heavily modded subreddit required administrators to intervene on a daily basis show it is a problem? Reddit admins shouldn't have to do almost anything to any highly trafficked and moderated subreddits. A different subreddit might be able to claim "Well there wasn't enough mods to catch a few comments falling through the cracks", but on the most heavily moderated subreddit on the entire site? I find it hard to believe that no mods saw the comments with calls to violence. Especially since T_D had been warned multiple times previously about poor moderation. Their response to such warnings in the past has always been some form of "Yeah well what are you going to do about?! We have lots of viewers!"

pizzazzaro 7y ago

Remember when u/Seattle4Truth, radicalizes on Reddit, shot his parents for being "liberal cucks"? He posted about it in advance on r/The_Donald. People cheered him on.