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This needs a citation. There was a lot of people spinning polls or making bad predictions off polls in 2016 (like every election year), but polls are not fake n

This needs a citation. There was a lot of people spinning polls or making bad predictions off polls in 2016 (like every election year), but polls are not fake news. They certainly weren't proven to be fake news just because some people were surprised by the outcome.

m0zg 7y ago
LMGTFY: https://www.google.com/search?q=poll+oversampling+2016&oq=poll+oversampling+2016&aqs=chrome..69i57j33.8986j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=poll+oversampling+2016&oq=po... The scheme is simple. Oversample the mostly-democratic areas, and you get the result that supports your narrative that "Donald Trump is going to lose". Easy as a pie. Moreover, I'd bet good money that you'll see it again in 2020. They've learned nothing. This is why campaigns run their own polls as well.
- theaustinseven 7y ago
  Hey, posting an LMGTFY is basically always extremely condescending and unnecessary. Here's a link that explains the quality of polling in 2016 and talks about some of the misconceptions both before and after the election: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-are-all-right/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-are-all-right...
- Marazan 7y ago
  Trump lost the popular vote. National polls captured that perfectly. The polling failure came in the rust belt where the polling models were not tuned to turnout correctly. Turnoit model is the secret sauce of political polling and the most likely source of failure. I was betting on the election and this proved an expensive failure for me. However, your notion of deliberately skewed polls by 'oversampling' Democratic areas is utter hogwash.
  - m0zg 7y ago
    I see you're trying to gaslight, but it's not working. Most per-state polls from the swing states said he was going to lose, as well (which was strange for a candidate who was routinely drawing 50K person crowds in those same states). NYT has a really nice visualization: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/polls.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/polls.... As to oversampling, see the attachment for this email: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551 The same propaganda methods are being used right now to prop up Joe Biden.
    - Marazan 7y ago
      You don't understand what oversampling means in the context of that email. They were oversampling to get larger than necessary sub groups so that they could get statistically meaningful results of those subsamples. As for your first comment swing state polling was more mixed. The RCP polling average gave Trump a lead in Florida. Which he won. It gave him a lead in Ohio which he won, it gave him a lead in Nevada, which he lost. The polling failure was in the rust belt. Where similar demographics met similar flawed turnout model and result in identical polling failure across the States. But the irony was the polling failure was over estimating Clinton support not under estimating Trump. Trump got less votes than Romney in Wisconsin yet still won because the Democrats vote collapsed spectacularly.
    - dang 7y ago
      > I see you're trying to gaslight Would you please stop breaking the site guidelines so we don't have to ban you? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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m0zg 7y ago

LMGTFY: https://www.google.com/search?q=poll+oversampling+2016&oq=poll+oversampling+2016&aqs=chrome..69i57j33.8986j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=poll+oversampling+2016&oq=po... The scheme is simple. Oversample the mostly-democratic areas, and you get the result that supports your narrative that "Donald Trump is going to lose". Easy as a pie. Moreover, I'd bet good money that you'll see it again in 2020. They've learned nothing. This is why campaigns run their own polls as well.

theaustinseven 7y ago
Hey, posting an LMGTFY is basically always extremely condescending and unnecessary. Here's a link that explains the quality of polling in 2016 and talks about some of the misconceptions both before and after the election: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-are-all-right/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-are-all-right...
Marazan 7y ago
Trump lost the popular vote. National polls captured that perfectly. The polling failure came in the rust belt where the polling models were not tuned to turnout correctly. Turnoit model is the secret sauce of political polling and the most likely source of failure. I was betting on the election and this proved an expensive failure for me. However, your notion of deliberately skewed polls by 'oversampling' Democratic areas is utter hogwash.
- m0zg 7y ago
  I see you're trying to gaslight, but it's not working. Most per-state polls from the swing states said he was going to lose, as well (which was strange for a candidate who was routinely drawing 50K person crowds in those same states). NYT has a really nice visualization: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/polls.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/polls.... As to oversampling, see the attachment for this email: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551 The same propaganda methods are being used right now to prop up Joe Biden.
  - Marazan 7y ago
    You don't understand what oversampling means in the context of that email. They were oversampling to get larger than necessary sub groups so that they could get statistically meaningful results of those subsamples. As for your first comment swing state polling was more mixed. The RCP polling average gave Trump a lead in Florida. Which he won. It gave him a lead in Ohio which he won, it gave him a lead in Nevada, which he lost. The polling failure was in the rust belt. Where similar demographics met similar flawed turnout model and result in identical polling failure across the States. But the irony was the polling failure was over estimating Clinton support not under estimating Trump. Trump got less votes than Romney in Wisconsin yet still won because the Democrats vote collapsed spectacularly.
  - dang 7y ago
    > I see you're trying to gaslight Would you please stop breaking the site guidelines so we don't have to ban you? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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