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We haven’t fought any drug wars in Venezuela, and they have routine gas theft, including tanker truck hijackings. It sounds more like economic causes than “the

We haven’t fought any drug wars in Venezuela, and they have routine gas theft, including tanker truck hijackings. It sounds more like economic causes than “the US did it!”

privateSFacct 7y ago
Gas theft is rampant in a number of countries that are not meaningfully part of the US war on drugs as they are not on shipping / growing routes. While less critical than the injuries, there is often significant environmental impact in the cruder cases of pipeline theft. There also ends up being some pretty bad behavior by the private security / mercenaries hired to try and protect some of the infrastructure. Clean goverment, effective law enforcement, pro-social behaviors and economic improvements etc all might reduce some of these issues.
ch 7y ago
And we certainly have never interfered in any economic sense in Venezuela ... hold on, my producer is telling me that this is incorrect.
- antidesitter 7y ago
  Elaborate?
- hombre_fatal 7y ago
  This type of sarcasm adds nothing and is noise compared to you just making your simple counter-assertion. No need to dress it up in extraneous LARPing where you have a producer.
giancarlostoro 7y ago
Venezuela is a narco state[0], but it wont be till this is in every media outlet that anything will be done about it. [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/17/venezuelan-vice-president-just-latest-to-be-called-drug-trafficker https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/17/venezuelan-vic...
xrd 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93Venezuela_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93Venezuel... Hugo Chavez's rise was definitely a response to US (and other powers) involvement in Latin America. The US did not "do it" (where it is directly causing gas theft). There is more to the history in South America and directly inside Venezuela and what the US was doing. These issues are much more complicated than "the US never sent troops to Venezuela to fight against drug dealers..." [edit]: removed assertion that parent was purposefully ignoring history. That was my assumption, not what they said.

We haven’t fought any drug wars in Venezuela, and they have routine gas theft, including tanker truck hijackings. It sounds more like economic causes than “the US did it!”

privateSFacct 7y ago

Gas theft is rampant in a number of countries that are not meaningfully part of the US war on drugs as they are not on shipping / growing routes. While less critical than the injuries, there is often significant environmental impact in the cruder cases of pipeline theft. There also ends up being some pretty bad behavior by the private security / mercenaries hired to try and protect some of the infrastructure. Clean goverment, effective law enforcement, pro-social behaviors and economic improvements etc all might reduce some of these issues.

ch 7y ago

And we certainly have never interfered in any economic sense in Venezuela ... hold on, my producer is telling me that this is incorrect.

antidesitter 7y ago
Elaborate?
hombre_fatal 7y ago
This type of sarcasm adds nothing and is noise compared to you just making your simple counter-assertion. No need to dress it up in extraneous LARPing where you have a producer.

giancarlostoro 7y ago

Venezuela is a narco state[0], but it wont be till this is in every media outlet that anything will be done about it. [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/17/venezuelan-vice-president-just-latest-to-be-called-drug-trafficker https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/17/venezuelan-vic...

xrd 7y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93Venezuela_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93Venezuel... Hugo Chavez's rise was definitely a response to US (and other powers) involvement in Latin America. The US did not "do it" (where it is directly causing gas theft). There is more to the history in South America and directly inside Venezuela and what the US was doing. These issues are much more complicated than "the US never sent troops to Venezuela to fight against drug dealers..." [edit]: removed assertion that parent was purposefully ignoring history. That was my assumption, not what they said.