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I've never seen Toyoda mentioned as the inventor of the lean model, I usually seen Taiichi Ohno credited for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiichi_Ohno htt

I've never seen Toyoda mentioned as the inventor of the lean model, I usually seen Taiichi Ohno credited for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiichi_Ohno https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiichi_Ohno

vvanders 7y ago
W. Deming also played a pretty large role too[1]. The whole history around Lean/Kaizen/etc is pretty fascinating. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming
- throw0101a 7y ago
  Deming was about quality control, which dovetails into lean: you can only do the latter if you know your parts bin is good, and that you can trust your supplier/s to deliver.
  - ethbro 7y ago
    In that sense, lean is essentially the same solution as reducing buffer size to increase network throughout. Excess capacity pooling decreases stopages but prevents signalling of problems back through the chain.
- vram22 7y ago
  Do you have some links for the history? I'm interested in Lean and Kaizen. Made a comment about it in this thread.
  - vvanders 7y ago
    It's covered a little in the TAL episode on NUMMI[1]. There's also a bit of it involved with TWI[2][3]. I'd read some other interesting things about skill transfer post-WW2 with the Marshall Plan but having trouble finding the original source material. [1] https://www.thisamericanlife.org/403/nummi-2010 https://www.thisamericanlife.org/403/nummi-2010 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Training_Within_Industry#Post_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Training_Within_Industry#Post_... [3] https://twi-institute.org/training-within-industry/history/ https://twi-institute.org/training-within-industry/history/
    - vram22 7y ago
      Great, will check those links out, thank you.
    - vram22 7y ago
      This part from your link [2] is interesting: >In the Foreword to Dinero's book "Training Within Industry", John Shook relates a story in which a Toyota trainer brought out an old copy of a TWI service manual to prove to him that American workers at NUMMI could be taught using the "Japanese" methods used at Toyota. Thus, TWI was the forerunner of what is today regarded as a Japanese creation.
vram22 7y ago
Can't confirm or the reverse, but I do remember Taiichi Ohno's name being mentioned multiple times in the book (The Toyota Way), which I bought and read some years ago. Interesting book. One of the things mentioned was the concepts of muri and muda, related to (not) wasting (stuff), IIRC [1]. Related to Kaizen [2]. [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=japanese+word+muri+and+muda& https://www.google.com/search?q=japanese+word+muri+and+muda& https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muri_(Japanese_term) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muri_(Japanese_term) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muda_(Japanese_term) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muda_(Japanese_term) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mura_(Japanese_term) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mura_(Japanese_term) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen

I've never seen Toyoda mentioned as the inventor of the lean model, I usually seen Taiichi Ohno credited for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiichi_Ohno https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiichi_Ohno

vvanders 7y ago

W. Deming also played a pretty large role too[1]. The whole history around Lean/Kaizen/etc is pretty fascinating. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming

throw0101a 7y ago
Deming was about quality control, which dovetails into lean: you can only do the latter if you know your parts bin is good, and that you can trust your supplier/s to deliver.
- ethbro 7y ago
  In that sense, lean is essentially the same solution as reducing buffer size to increase network throughout. Excess capacity pooling decreases stopages but prevents signalling of problems back through the chain.
vram22 7y ago
Do you have some links for the history? I'm interested in Lean and Kaizen. Made a comment about it in this thread.
- vvanders 7y ago
  It's covered a little in the TAL episode on NUMMI[1]. There's also a bit of it involved with TWI[2][3]. I'd read some other interesting things about skill transfer post-WW2 with the Marshall Plan but having trouble finding the original source material. [1] https://www.thisamericanlife.org/403/nummi-2010 https://www.thisamericanlife.org/403/nummi-2010 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Training_Within_Industry#Post_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Training_Within_Industry#Post_... [3] https://twi-institute.org/training-within-industry/history/ https://twi-institute.org/training-within-industry/history/
  - vram22 7y ago
    Great, will check those links out, thank you.
  - vram22 7y ago
    This part from your link [2] is interesting: >In the Foreword to Dinero's book "Training Within Industry", John Shook relates a story in which a Toyota trainer brought out an old copy of a TWI service manual to prove to him that American workers at NUMMI could be taught using the "Japanese" methods used at Toyota. Thus, TWI was the forerunner of what is today regarded as a Japanese creation.

vram22 7y ago

Can't confirm or the reverse, but I do remember Taiichi Ohno's name being mentioned multiple times in the book (The Toyota Way), which I bought and read some years ago. Interesting book. One of the things mentioned was the concepts of muri and muda, related to (not) wasting (stuff), IIRC [1]. Related to Kaizen [2]. [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=japanese+word+muri+and+muda& https://www.google.com/search?q=japanese+word+muri+and+muda& https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muri_(Japanese_term) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muri_(Japanese_term) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muda_(Japanese_term) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muda_(Japanese_term) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mura_(Japanese_term) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mura_(Japanese_term) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen