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Because building, deploying and maintaining your own (of anything) comes at a significant cost and a tailor made contract for preserving privacy seems like a gr

Because building, deploying and maintaining your own (of anything) comes at a significant cost and a tailor made contract for preserving privacy seems like a great alternative.

hartator 7y ago
You have open sourced google analytics like tools. eg Piwik. Also just analyzing server logs should be enough in most use cases.
- vkou 7y ago
  > Also just analyzing server logs should be enough in most use cases. That sounds like a fantastic way to play GDPR roulette. Did the guy you hire to spec and build the server log analyzer follow the law, or did he just wing it? Contrast that to just using a SAAS offering, where you have someone to sue...
  - hartator 7y ago
    > Did the guy you hire to spec and build the server log analyzer follow the law, or did he just wing it? Nginx, haproxy, and others log all requests by default. If you are behind a CDN, requests are already anonymized as you get the CDN IPs. Not sure why you'll need a guy to set things up.
    - vkou 7y ago
      Logging isn't the hard part. Turning raw logs into metrics and action items is what requires you to pay that engineer, and what may get you get you in trouble with the GDPR, if they do it wrong.
      - hartator 7y ago
        You have open sourced tools for that. GoAccess for example. If the logs already contain the real IPs, you are already infringing GDPR. And that's all websites.
vinay_ys 7y ago
This is a seriously BS argument to be made for Mozilla which developed its own programming language to build the browser. Even for anyone else who is developing a serious enough business, owning your own traffic metric data is important to build this in-house. Today's open-source tech and public clouds make this really easy - it's 2-4 people full-time job to run a very large scale traffic analysis system that can rival whatever functionality you can get from GA (without being fully self-serve and multi-tenant, which is a ton of work you can avoid).
bassman9000 7y ago
Absolutely worth it, if your selling point is privacy, and your vendor the best and most pervasive tracker in the world.

Because building, deploying and maintaining your own (of anything) comes at a significant cost and a tailor made contract for preserving privacy seems like a great alternative.

hartator 7y ago

You have open sourced google analytics like tools. eg Piwik. Also just analyzing server logs should be enough in most use cases.

vkou 7y ago
> Also just analyzing server logs should be enough in most use cases. That sounds like a fantastic way to play GDPR roulette. Did the guy you hire to spec and build the server log analyzer follow the law, or did he just wing it? Contrast that to just using a SAAS offering, where you have someone to sue...
- hartator 7y ago
  > Did the guy you hire to spec and build the server log analyzer follow the law, or did he just wing it? Nginx, haproxy, and others log all requests by default. If you are behind a CDN, requests are already anonymized as you get the CDN IPs. Not sure why you'll need a guy to set things up.
  - vkou 7y ago
    Logging isn't the hard part. Turning raw logs into metrics and action items is what requires you to pay that engineer, and what may get you get you in trouble with the GDPR, if they do it wrong.
    - hartator 7y ago
      You have open sourced tools for that. GoAccess for example. If the logs already contain the real IPs, you are already infringing GDPR. And that's all websites.

vinay_ys 7y ago

This is a seriously BS argument to be made for Mozilla which developed its own programming language to build the browser. Even for anyone else who is developing a serious enough business, owning your own traffic metric data is important to build this in-house. Today's open-source tech and public clouds make this really easy - it's 2-4 people full-time job to run a very large scale traffic analysis system that can rival whatever functionality you can get from GA (without being fully self-serve and multi-tenant, which is a ton of work you can avoid).

bassman9000 7y ago

Absolutely worth it, if your selling point is privacy, and your vendor the best and most pervasive tracker in the world.