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You see the same thing in Yellowstone--inattentive Instagrammers with selfie sticks hoping to snap the perfect pic next to the wildlife and scenery. Nothing qui

You see the same thing in Yellowstone--inattentive Instagrammers with selfie sticks hoping to snap the perfect pic next to the wildlife and scenery. Nothing quite as real as being scalded by a hot spring when you're used to viewing the world through a screen.

growlist 7y ago
Mass tourism has ruined travel for me.
- mrhappyunhappy 7y ago
  If and when I go somewhere, I try to go in off season. And if there is no such thing as off season for a place, I just avoid it.
  - growlist 7y ago
    Yeah. Much of the 'real world' is turning into something like a Center Parks (if you know of it) experience, where what we believe to be reality is nothing of the sort. At least some trips are immune though, like a tropical chill out on the beach. It's the long dreamed of trip to Florence, for example, that is likely to be marred.
- merpnderp 7y ago
  Try Yellowstone in the summer if you want ruined. Non-stop traffic jams, trash everywhere, random punk kids carving crap into every tree on a path they meet, and nearly every tree seems to have carvings scraped off it multiple times.
- driverdan 7y ago
  Why? There are millions of places to visit, the vast majority of which are nearly empty. You don't have to go to the big name locations, there are plenty of others that aren't crowded.
  - growlist 7y ago
    But the unspoilt places inevitably require more effort both upfront and whilst there. The holiday starts to become more like work than relaxation!
- icelandthrthw 7y ago
  This comment made me realise why this thread gave me an uneasy feeling. It's not being upset about people travelling, it's being upset about the wrong people travelling for the wrong reasons. I don't see why your long-dreamed of trip is more virtuous than one someone chose because they saw a nice picture on social media.
justaguyhere 7y ago
Same everywhere. I still remember going to the NY ball drop new year's eve - all I could see was camera flashes, hundreds of them every second. It was disgusting. I was one of the very few people who wanted to see stuff with naked eye :( Do these super talented artistic photographers see the photos they take, even once, after they have taken it?
- icebraining 7y ago
  Why was it disgusting? Were they thrashing something, like those in the article?
  - justaguyhere 7y ago
    Because I couldn't see anything, all I could see were flashes every direction around me. And yeah, trashing is a never ending issue. You should see the early morning clean up at Times Square, on new year's day - it is quite a sight
- ljcn 7y ago
  https://xkcd.com/1314/ https://xkcd.com/1314/
  - tomxor 7y ago
    Except in this case there is a very good reason to care how other people enjoy their experiences.
    - tomxor 7y ago
      LOL, if you consider me a twat for caring how other people enjoy their experiences when it is responsible for polluting nature, then so be it - fuck you very much.
- tomxor 7y ago
  > Do these super talented artistic photographers see the photos they take, even once, after they have taken it? Nope, similarly the affect of using cameras in museums has been studied before. In real life it's pretty blatantly obvious that 99% of people don't go to museums and galleries for their interest any more, it's all about being pretentious and shoving as many pictures on facebook as possible so their friends think they are cultured. every time I go there are people who never look away from their phone, just take a picture, next, take a picture, next... all the way. I find it difficult not to be disgusted by it. If all they really wanted was a picture they could have bought a book far more easily, but they don't want a picture, and they aren't interested, they just want to put it on facebook. I try to ignore them but they often try to make you get out of the way for their important pictures of EVERYTHING if you dare to appreciate something with your actual eyeballs for more than 20 seconds. Ok enough this thread is not helping my attitude towards people.
Spooky23 7y ago
Definitely the downside of cheap travel. When I was young, my grandparents had a little un-winterized summer cottage in upstate NY in an area that was still pretty active with NYC metro area tourists... basically boorish and annoying people swarming everywhere. ("Hey, look at the cow! Moo! <throws rock at cow> Why don't you mooo!") That isn't a thing now anymore, and of course the folks like from every city globally venture off to Mexico, the DR, and various nature-y places now. Yuck.

growlist 7y ago

Mass tourism has ruined travel for me.

mrhappyunhappy 7y ago
If and when I go somewhere, I try to go in off season. And if there is no such thing as off season for a place, I just avoid it.
- growlist 7y ago
  Yeah. Much of the 'real world' is turning into something like a Center Parks (if you know of it) experience, where what we believe to be reality is nothing of the sort. At least some trips are immune though, like a tropical chill out on the beach. It's the long dreamed of trip to Florence, for example, that is likely to be marred.
merpnderp 7y ago
Try Yellowstone in the summer if you want ruined. Non-stop traffic jams, trash everywhere, random punk kids carving crap into every tree on a path they meet, and nearly every tree seems to have carvings scraped off it multiple times.
driverdan 7y ago
Why? There are millions of places to visit, the vast majority of which are nearly empty. You don't have to go to the big name locations, there are plenty of others that aren't crowded.
- growlist 7y ago
  But the unspoilt places inevitably require more effort both upfront and whilst there. The holiday starts to become more like work than relaxation!
icelandthrthw 7y ago
This comment made me realise why this thread gave me an uneasy feeling. It's not being upset about people travelling, it's being upset about the wrong people travelling for the wrong reasons. I don't see why your long-dreamed of trip is more virtuous than one someone chose because they saw a nice picture on social media.

justaguyhere 7y ago

Same everywhere. I still remember going to the NY ball drop new year's eve - all I could see was camera flashes, hundreds of them every second. It was disgusting. I was one of the very few people who wanted to see stuff with naked eye :( Do these super talented artistic photographers see the photos they take, even once, after they have taken it?

icebraining 7y ago
Why was it disgusting? Were they thrashing something, like those in the article?
- justaguyhere 7y ago
  Because I couldn't see anything, all I could see were flashes every direction around me. And yeah, trashing is a never ending issue. You should see the early morning clean up at Times Square, on new year's day - it is quite a sight
ljcn 7y ago
https://xkcd.com/1314/ https://xkcd.com/1314/
- tomxor 7y ago
  Except in this case there is a very good reason to care how other people enjoy their experiences.
  - tomxor 7y ago
    LOL, if you consider me a twat for caring how other people enjoy their experiences when it is responsible for polluting nature, then so be it - fuck you very much.
tomxor 7y ago
> Do these super talented artistic photographers see the photos they take, even once, after they have taken it? Nope, similarly the affect of using cameras in museums has been studied before. In real life it's pretty blatantly obvious that 99% of people don't go to museums and galleries for their interest any more, it's all about being pretentious and shoving as many pictures on facebook as possible so their friends think they are cultured. every time I go there are people who never look away from their phone, just take a picture, next, take a picture, next... all the way. I find it difficult not to be disgusted by it. If all they really wanted was a picture they could have bought a book far more easily, but they don't want a picture, and they aren't interested, they just want to put it on facebook. I try to ignore them but they often try to make you get out of the way for their important pictures of EVERYTHING if you dare to appreciate something with your actual eyeballs for more than 20 seconds. Ok enough this thread is not helping my attitude towards people.

Spooky23 7y ago

Definitely the downside of cheap travel. When I was young, my grandparents had a little un-winterized summer cottage in upstate NY in an area that was still pretty active with NYC metro area tourists... basically boorish and annoying people swarming everywhere. ("Hey, look at the cow! Moo! <throws rock at cow> Why don't you mooo!") That isn't a thing now anymore, and of course the folks like from every city globally venture off to Mexico, the DR, and various nature-y places now. Yuck.