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On a sad note, I couldn't stop myself thinking "this «doomsday» profile may be a bit dangerous to run, it could get you on some nasty lists" and wouldn't dare t

On a sad note, I couldn't stop myself thinking "this «doomsday» profile may be a bit dangerous to run, it could get you on some nasty lists" and wouldn't dare to run it. Shows how bad the chilling effect has become…

dannyw 7y ago
So what if you're on a list? I ran a Tor exit node on my home static IP for years. No dramas.
- kzzzznot 7y ago
  Anecdotal
  - Cthulhu_ 7y ago
    Yup; the grandparent is likely on a List already for being involved in child pornograpy and such (inadvertently, but you know that's a big part of what TOR is used for).
    - annon2003 7y ago
      Don't shoot the messenger
    - r3bl 7y ago
      > but you know that's a big part of what TOR is used for Citation needed please. That's the juicier stuff that makes its way into the news. "A person living under an oppressive government evading censorship" will never be as juicy to write about as "murderers for hire on the dark web". That says absolutely nothing about the actual usage of Tor, so I'd like to see you back up that "big part" part.
      - deleted 7y ago
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      - Anarch157a 7y ago
        This is the media doing their job. You don't listen on news about how a great chef used her knife to slice a piece of meat, but you do when someone uses one to slice another person. We need to be aware of misuses of tools in other to weed out bad actors, leaving the legitimate uses in place.
        SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
        I agree, that's part of the media's job, but the struggle with that is that there's no tool to give us a sense of normalcy - the news is what's new and newsworthy, but we have nothing to ground us, cause no one would watch it.
        r3bl 7y ago
        I agree, I just disagree with the generalization based off of those news. Tor is a tool and as such can be used for both good and bad. It bothers me when people draw badly considered conclusions from them, such as claiming that "most" or a "big part" of Tor is dedicated to illegal activities. The percentage is probably greater than on the "normal" web, but I object to the stronger claims than that.
    - Forbo 7y ago
      Exit nodes are used to access clearnet sites, which nobody is going to use to serve child pornography.
- adrianN 7y ago
  At least in Germany you run a reasonably large risk of getting a visit from the police and getting all your stuff confiscated when running a Tor exit node.
- luckylion 7y ago
  > I ran a Tor exit node on my home static IP for years. No dramas. Yet. I mean, being on the list doesn't matter until it matters. If nobody ever wants to harm you, being exposed doesn't matter. If anybody ever wants to, having given them material in the past will make your current day defense harder.
- driverdan 7y ago
  I'm not sure how you managed to do that. I ran a few exit VPSes and they were shut down in less than two weeks for hacking complaints.
Fnoord 7y ago
> On a sad note, I couldn't stop myself thinking "this «doomsday» profile may be a bit dangerous to run, it could get you on some nasty lists" and wouldn't dare to run it. Shows how bad the chilling effect has become… That's a good thing on the long term. We need false positives for such lists to become better, to make the developers up their game. Ever downloaded Tails? You're on a list.
- hi5eyes 7y ago
  i would guess anyone that has googled tor, onion site, tails os, monero etc. would be on a list
  - driverdan 7y ago
    That doesn't make sense. You think Google is handing off data about all of these searches to the government?
    - gloflo 7y ago
      You think the government does not have secret access to a surveillance system, developed in their own country, more widespread and ingrained into daily life than anything before?
      - freehunter 7y ago
        If that's the case though... what are they using it for? They haven't stopped mass shootings. They haven't stopped terrorism or bombings or domestic violence or child molesters. They never bring the evidence to court. There's zero indication they've done anything with the wide mass surveillance net they're supposed to have access to. So what is it there for?
        fghtr 7y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance#Purposes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance#Purposes
user17843 7y ago
Here are some of the doomsday links from the source code: - scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2124872/us-government-admits-it-studies-ufos-so-about-those - content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1860871_1860876_1861006,00.html - video.vice.com/en_us/show/motherboard-spaced-out - video.vice.com/en_us/video/the-man-who-hunts-spy-satellites/559be69ea8feaf3c462823a0 - worldufoday.com/about-world-ufo-day/whatwherewhywhen/ - vice.com/en_us/article/z43ygx/some-of-the-very-best-alien-conspiracy-theories-world-ufo-day - nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/los-angeles-fire-season-will-never-end.html - doomsdayprep.com/shop/bear-grylls-sliding-saw/ - americansurvivalwholesale.com/ - rei.com/c/camping-tents - basspro.com/shop/en/camping Some of the sites I looked at do not even have any trackers on them.
- m463 7y ago
  There was a site a few years back that I can't find. It was something like wreck my browser history .com or the like. It had a sort of "I'm Sure" button that would kick off a bunch of web searches like "syria hotel tickets" and ... more amusing/disturbing ones.
  - breakingcups 7y ago
    It was https://ruinmysearchhistory.com https://ruinmysearchhistory.com , but it seems to have passed hands or has been redesigned since it looks different from how I remember.
yitosda 7y ago
We already know that prices are changed for different devices and browsers. It's not a stretch to think that choosing the Filthy Rich profile will cost you in online shopping.
- navaati 7y ago
  Wow good point ! Makes me wonder the legality of that now, isn't there a law somewhere saying that for a same item everybody must pay the same price ?

dannyw 7y ago

So what if you're on a list? I ran a Tor exit node on my home static IP for years. No dramas.

kzzzznot 7y ago
Anecdotal
- Cthulhu_ 7y ago
  Yup; the grandparent is likely on a List already for being involved in child pornograpy and such (inadvertently, but you know that's a big part of what TOR is used for).
  - annon2003 7y ago
    Don't shoot the messenger
  - r3bl 7y ago
    > but you know that's a big part of what TOR is used for Citation needed please. That's the juicier stuff that makes its way into the news. "A person living under an oppressive government evading censorship" will never be as juicy to write about as "murderers for hire on the dark web". That says absolutely nothing about the actual usage of Tor, so I'd like to see you back up that "big part" part.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - Anarch157a 7y ago
      This is the media doing their job. You don't listen on news about how a great chef used her knife to slice a piece of meat, but you do when someone uses one to slice another person. We need to be aware of misuses of tools in other to weed out bad actors, leaving the legitimate uses in place.
      - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
        I agree, that's part of the media's job, but the struggle with that is that there's no tool to give us a sense of normalcy - the news is what's new and newsworthy, but we have nothing to ground us, cause no one would watch it.
      - r3bl 7y ago
        I agree, I just disagree with the generalization based off of those news. Tor is a tool and as such can be used for both good and bad. It bothers me when people draw badly considered conclusions from them, such as claiming that "most" or a "big part" of Tor is dedicated to illegal activities. The percentage is probably greater than on the "normal" web, but I object to the stronger claims than that.
  - Forbo 7y ago
    Exit nodes are used to access clearnet sites, which nobody is going to use to serve child pornography.
adrianN 7y ago
At least in Germany you run a reasonably large risk of getting a visit from the police and getting all your stuff confiscated when running a Tor exit node.
luckylion 7y ago
> I ran a Tor exit node on my home static IP for years. No dramas. Yet. I mean, being on the list doesn't matter until it matters. If nobody ever wants to harm you, being exposed doesn't matter. If anybody ever wants to, having given them material in the past will make your current day defense harder.
driverdan 7y ago
I'm not sure how you managed to do that. I ran a few exit VPSes and they were shut down in less than two weeks for hacking complaints.

Fnoord 7y ago

> On a sad note, I couldn't stop myself thinking "this «doomsday» profile may be a bit dangerous to run, it could get you on some nasty lists" and wouldn't dare to run it. Shows how bad the chilling effect has become… That's a good thing on the long term. We need false positives for such lists to become better, to make the developers up their game. Ever downloaded Tails? You're on a list.

hi5eyes 7y ago
i would guess anyone that has googled tor, onion site, tails os, monero etc. would be on a list
- driverdan 7y ago
  That doesn't make sense. You think Google is handing off data about all of these searches to the government?
  - gloflo 7y ago
    You think the government does not have secret access to a surveillance system, developed in their own country, more widespread and ingrained into daily life than anything before?
    - freehunter 7y ago
      If that's the case though... what are they using it for? They haven't stopped mass shootings. They haven't stopped terrorism or bombings or domestic violence or child molesters. They never bring the evidence to court. There's zero indication they've done anything with the wide mass surveillance net they're supposed to have access to. So what is it there for?
      - fghtr 7y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance#Purposes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance#Purposes

user17843 7y ago

Here are some of the doomsday links from the source code: - scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2124872/us-government-admits-it-studies-ufos-so-about-those - content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1860871_1860876_1861006,00.html - video.vice.com/en_us/show/motherboard-spaced-out - video.vice.com/en_us/video/the-man-who-hunts-spy-satellites/559be69ea8feaf3c462823a0 - worldufoday.com/about-world-ufo-day/whatwherewhywhen/ - vice.com/en_us/article/z43ygx/some-of-the-very-best-alien-conspiracy-theories-world-ufo-day - nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/los-angeles-fire-season-will-never-end.html - doomsdayprep.com/shop/bear-grylls-sliding-saw/ - americansurvivalwholesale.com/ - rei.com/c/camping-tents - basspro.com/shop/en/camping Some of the sites I looked at do not even have any trackers on them.

m463 7y ago
There was a site a few years back that I can't find. It was something like wreck my browser history .com or the like. It had a sort of "I'm Sure" button that would kick off a bunch of web searches like "syria hotel tickets" and ... more amusing/disturbing ones.
- breakingcups 7y ago
  It was https://ruinmysearchhistory.com https://ruinmysearchhistory.com , but it seems to have passed hands or has been redesigned since it looks different from how I remember.

yitosda 7y ago

We already know that prices are changed for different devices and browsers. It's not a stretch to think that choosing the Filthy Rich profile will cost you in online shopping.

navaati 7y ago
Wow good point ! Makes me wonder the legality of that now, isn't there a law somewhere saying that for a same item everybody must pay the same price ?