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No self-driving car will turn left in front of you either. Pendulum swings both ways. The self-driving car could very well have reacted faster than you ever c

No self-driving car will turn left in front of you either. Pendulum swings both ways. The self-driving car could very well have reacted faster than you ever could have, saving your life even in the many crash situations where you wouldn't have had any idea of the other driver's intention.

jonathankoren 7y ago
Or a self driving car, would have plowed ahead and never hit the brake. There’s an assumption that self driving will be safer, but it’s not necessary (there’s very little public data with any reasonable detail), and plenty of anecdotes where the car did something very abnormal. Furthermore, you have self-driving backers like Andrew No, publicly moving the goal posts to justify the investments. My point is, in 2019, self driving cars don’t work very well, and there’s little expectation that they will work well in the near to medium future, so it’s silly to sing their praises now.
- revscat 7y ago
  My car saved my ass. Southern Illinois, destination Niagara. Going through one small town after another. Flat. Boring. Autopilot is on. Highway is 4 lane divided, no service road. Occasional farmers market roads. Driving for a couple of hours, not much to see (and smell) but farmland. Southern Illinois is incredibly boring. Start to pass an 18-wheeler on my right. Not paying 100% attention because... boring. Car starts freaking out, loud warning signals. Engages the brakes, hard. Some old lady had pulled out to cross the highway, so that she was halfway in my lane. Couldn’t see her because of 18-wheeler. She couldn’t see me for the same reason. Stupid. Car saw her before I did, took appropriate measures. I would have been in a nasty wreck if if I hadn’t had it. She probably would have died, because I would have hit her driver’s side. Would have been nasty regardless. So three cheers for autopilot from this driver. Saved the day. More. Please.
  - ummonk 7y ago
    What the hell was the 18 wheeler doing in the left lane? Note that you didn’t need autopilot here, just collision avoidance system.
    - revscat 7y ago
      “on my right.” He was in the right lane.
      - ummonk 7y ago
        Oh, my bad.
  - oblib 7y ago
    "Not paying 100% attention because... boring." Not to be demeaning but that is the cause of most vehicle accidents. So, you scare me more than self driving cars.
    - revscat 7y ago
      shrug You're not wrong, and the criticism is valid. I only object to the implication than I'm uniquely flawed in this regard. Everyone suffers from being tired or stressed. Minds wander, people drive home after the bar when they shouldn't, or on too little sleep when they have to get to work, or their kids fight in the back seat and demand attention. Etc., etc., ad infinitum. Assisted driving technologies can help with the natural shortcomings of the bloodbags behind the wheel. Recognizing that I'm susceptible to those same flaws is one of the reasons I paid extra for Autopilot: I wanted the added safety. And it was a worthy investment.
      - oblib 7y ago
        I don't think you're uniquely flawed in this regard. In fact you're not. I do think I am among those who make a point to pay very close attention to my driving and others on the road with me. I may be somewhat unique in this regard because I grew up working on cars that had been in crashes, and then went on to design and build vehicles for severally disabled people for over 15 years, many of whom were disable in vehicle crashes. I don't think I'm flawless though, but I know for sure that no self driving car could have avoided the one accident I was in. It was similar to the Tesla that hit and killed the person who walked out in front of it. No person or computer could anticipate or avoid it. As of right now, Tesla autos have been in way more accidents than I. I'm sure that collectively they've driven many more miles than I, but many of the accidents they've been in involved conditions that I have driven in many times and never made the mistakes they have.
- spurgu 7y ago
  Have you seen this? https://youtu.be/Ucp0TTmvqOE?t=4173 https://youtu.be/Ucp0TTmvqOE?t=4173

jonathankoren 7y ago

Or a self driving car, would have plowed ahead and never hit the brake. There’s an assumption that self driving will be safer, but it’s not necessary (there’s very little public data with any reasonable detail), and plenty of anecdotes where the car did something very abnormal. Furthermore, you have self-driving backers like Andrew No, publicly moving the goal posts to justify the investments. My point is, in 2019, self driving cars don’t work very well, and there’s little expectation that they will work well in the near to medium future, so it’s silly to sing their praises now.

revscat 7y ago
My car saved my ass. Southern Illinois, destination Niagara. Going through one small town after another. Flat. Boring. Autopilot is on. Highway is 4 lane divided, no service road. Occasional farmers market roads. Driving for a couple of hours, not much to see (and smell) but farmland. Southern Illinois is incredibly boring. Start to pass an 18-wheeler on my right. Not paying 100% attention because... boring. Car starts freaking out, loud warning signals. Engages the brakes, hard. Some old lady had pulled out to cross the highway, so that she was halfway in my lane. Couldn’t see her because of 18-wheeler. She couldn’t see me for the same reason. Stupid. Car saw her before I did, took appropriate measures. I would have been in a nasty wreck if if I hadn’t had it. She probably would have died, because I would have hit her driver’s side. Would have been nasty regardless. So three cheers for autopilot from this driver. Saved the day. More. Please.
- ummonk 7y ago
  What the hell was the 18 wheeler doing in the left lane? Note that you didn’t need autopilot here, just collision avoidance system.
  - revscat 7y ago
    “on my right.” He was in the right lane.
    - ummonk 7y ago
      Oh, my bad.
- oblib 7y ago
  "Not paying 100% attention because... boring." Not to be demeaning but that is the cause of most vehicle accidents. So, you scare me more than self driving cars.
  - revscat 7y ago
    shrug You're not wrong, and the criticism is valid. I only object to the implication than I'm uniquely flawed in this regard. Everyone suffers from being tired or stressed. Minds wander, people drive home after the bar when they shouldn't, or on too little sleep when they have to get to work, or their kids fight in the back seat and demand attention. Etc., etc., ad infinitum. Assisted driving technologies can help with the natural shortcomings of the bloodbags behind the wheel. Recognizing that I'm susceptible to those same flaws is one of the reasons I paid extra for Autopilot: I wanted the added safety. And it was a worthy investment.
    - oblib 7y ago
      I don't think you're uniquely flawed in this regard. In fact you're not. I do think I am among those who make a point to pay very close attention to my driving and others on the road with me. I may be somewhat unique in this regard because I grew up working on cars that had been in crashes, and then went on to design and build vehicles for severally disabled people for over 15 years, many of whom were disable in vehicle crashes. I don't think I'm flawless though, but I know for sure that no self driving car could have avoided the one accident I was in. It was similar to the Tesla that hit and killed the person who walked out in front of it. No person or computer could anticipate or avoid it. As of right now, Tesla autos have been in way more accidents than I. I'm sure that collectively they've driven many more miles than I, but many of the accidents they've been in involved conditions that I have driven in many times and never made the mistakes they have.
spurgu 7y ago
Have you seen this? https://youtu.be/Ucp0TTmvqOE?t=4173 https://youtu.be/Ucp0TTmvqOE?t=4173