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English has some of these words too -- they're specific kinds of counters. Paper is counted in "sheets" or "reams," for example. "I want a sheet of paper" is d
by sdrothrock 7y ago
English has some of these words too -- they're specific kinds of counters.
Paper is counted in "sheets" or "reams," for example. "I want a sheet of paper" is distinct from "I want a paper" -- outside of the context of a newspaper, the latter would be considered grammatically incorrect.
It's just that in Japanese, these are more or less standardized based on the kind of thing you're counting, so 個 for small, discrete objects, 匹 for small animals, 本 for long, thin things, 冊 for bound sheaves of paper, etc.
So as an example, an English interface could say something like "4 umbrellas", and the Japanese version could get away with something like "4 傘 [kasa, meaning 'umbrella']" if it's a list, but if it's in prose, you definitely need to be able to say "傘4本 [lit. umbrella 4-count-of-long-thin-object]" or something similar depending on the context.
- tigershark 7y agoMmm... I don’t think that it’s the same concept as the sheet of paper. Ippai and hitotsu contain the number, in English you don’t say I want isheet or tsheet of paper to indicate that you want one or two sheets of paper and ipbeer or nibeer to ask for one or two beers.
- thaumasiotes 7y agoUpthread, the topic is set by yorwba's comment: >>> Japanese doesn't just have different measure words, but also different number words depending on the thing being counted. You're talking about the measure words, not the number words.
- sdrothrock 7y agoI understand that; I mistakenly thought mrunkei was unclear about measure words.