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I don't entirely understand the attacks on e-cigs and vaping. 1) e-cigs/vaping is safer with less carcinogens going into lungs. That will lead to less health i
by drawkbox 7y ago
I don't entirely understand the attacks on e-cigs and vaping.
1) e-cigs/vaping is safer with less carcinogens going into lungs. That will lead to less health issues down the line. Even if kids are getting them, which they shouldn't because it is sold in an age limited regulated market, it is still safer than cigarettes and a regulated market with good production is always safer than an unregulated black market.
2) vaping/e-cigs don't combust, so there is no fire, which almost cuts out the threat of a fire starting completely unless a battery explodes which is very rare. A burning cigarette falling will continue to burn by design every single time.
3) e-cigs/vaping leave no butts, no trash and are mostly devices people want to keep and reuse. Reusability and no pollution are what e-cigs/vaping bring. Cigarette butts are the single greatest source of ocean pollution [1], and next to gum, all over all the time.
Prohibitions and illegality of substances a certain percentage of people will always use, make these areas more dangerous in use/production and make harm reduction much more difficult.
[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/plastic-straw-ban-cigarette-butts-are-single-greatest-source-ocean-n903661 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/plastic-straw-ban-cigar...
- ceejayoz 7y agoIt's quite simple. Not smoking at all > vaping > cigarettes. Massive progress has been made in getting kids not to take up smoking. If you're a smoker, switching to vaping is a good thing. If you're not, it's a bad thing.
- refurb 7y agoThis reminds me of the right wing stance on sex education. Abstinence > safe sex > unsafe sex Yes, the first is desirable, but let’s be serious, it’s not a reasonable goal for most people.
- ceejayoz 7y agoThat's a silly comparison. Smoking's been in a very successful decades-long decline due to public policy interventions. "Not smoking" is an entirely reasonable goal for most people.
- refurb 7y agoVaping isn’t smoking. And my point was, teenagers are always going to use mind altering substances. Vaping is a mind altering substance. People don’t like kids vaping because sobriety is the goal. And I’m saying that’s unrealistic.
- rsj_hn 7y agoSo do you support banning smoking weed?
- xmprt 7y agoThere's a difference between banning and criminalizing weed. You can support one without the other.
- rsj_hn 7y ago1. What is the difference between banning and criminalizing? You are going to use the power of the state to punish someone that does not obey your ban, right? Is it about fines versus jail time? 2. Do you support SF treating weed the same as e-cigs?
- ryanmercer 7y ago>What is the difference between banning and criminalizing? I would assume banning the sale of via business located inside San Francisco vs police throwing you against a wall and patting you down when they see you vaping something.
- rsj_hn 7y agoSo your problem is the level of intensity? E.g. it's OK if a business is given a huge fine and maybe has to close as long as the owner of the business is not "thrown up against the wall"? It seems to me that whether someone is thrown against a wall is not nearly as important as whether something is legal or illegal, in terms of infringing on liberties.
- p1mrx 7y agoI think education would work better than banning. The "vaping > smoking" comparison is even more apt for weed, because it can be vaped in its natural form, whereas nicotine needs additives like propylene glycol. (That said, kids should avoid weed in any form, since it's known to affect brain development.)
- undersuit 7y agoI picked up a refillable cart with two flavors, tobacco and blueberry. Maybe it wasn't the highest quality kit, but I still prefer the occasional pipe tobacco over vaping. I took a long time deciding to try vaping. I've never liked cigarettes, cigars are a rare thing for me, and I usually let my pipe tobacco go stale. I was still quite worried about trying vaping regardless. I had the same worries you elude too. Vaping nicotine put the nail in the coffin for the idea that I'll start consuming tobacco addictively. I have a completely different experience with cannabis BTW.
- duskwuff 7y ago> e-cigs/vaping leave no butts, no trash and are mostly devices people want to keep and reuse. Most commercial e-cigs have some form of disposable component, ranging from the plastic pods used by Juul to some Blu-branded devices which are entirely one-time-use.