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I f hate SF. Housing/homelessness crisis? Do nothing. Terrible roads which are worse than Chicago (which gets tons of snow): do nothing. Horrendous traffic? Do

I f hate SF. Housing/homelessness crisis? Do nothing. Terrible roads which are worse than Chicago (which gets tons of snow): do nothing. Horrendous traffic? Do nothing. But: Vaping! Freak out! NIMBY! Move fast! Agree with all other comments, this is stupid. Vaping isn't great. But banning it without any other options is...ultra dumb.

almost_usual 7y ago
>SF. Housing/homelessness crisis? Do nothing The city is attempting to address this very complicated problem and invest in shelters / affordable housing. A lot of wealthy home owners protest when they attempt to build housing for the poor (in their backyard). I'd argue the homeless problem in SF is more of a national / United States issue than SF specifically. >Terrible roads which are worse than Chicago I haven't been to Chicago in like half a decade but I don't think the roads in SF are terrible? >Horrendous traffic? Do nothing Traffic isn't bad unless you spend all of your time commuting in the East Bay, the Peninsula, or you pick terrible driving times on the weekend. During the work week the traffic within the city outside of FiDi is usually fine (which is most of the city). Outside of SF proper traffic is definitely pretty bad though, especially in the East Bay. I can usually leave on a Saturday at 8am, get to upper North Bay (Novato, etc), crank out a 5+ mile hike, grab lunch, and be back at home by 11:30am without hitting any traffic. People who decide to sleep in and leave at 11am definitely hit a ton of traffic (because that's a terrible driving time). >Agree with all other comments, this is stupid. Vaping isn't great. But banning it without any other options is...ultra dumb. I don't really get it, I imagine it's more of a jab towards Juul than anything else.
- tanseydavid 7y ago
  "I can usually leave on a Saturday at 8am, get to upper North Bay (Novato, etc), crank out a 5+ mile hike, grab lunch, and be back at home by 11:30am without hitting any traffic." Surely you must be exaggerating? How quickly do you cover 5 miles hiking? How quickly do you eat lunch for that matter?
  - almost_usual 7y ago
    Did it last weekend, 1200ft increase in elevation. Pack a sandwich to eat or grab one on the go. I hike often and hit the gym 4+ days a week so I might be moving faster than average. My lunch stop is usually 10-15 min. Either way, if you start the hike before 9am in the North Bay you'll beat the traffic rush out of the city. You could spend an extra couple hours if you wanted. As long as you head back before 2pm you'll beat the re-entry rush into the city.
- dannykwells 7y ago
  You are wrong here. California has the worst homelessness problem in the country, and SF is leading within California. It is just not a national issue. I travel for work...no where is like SF for homeless. Chicago, Minneapolis, Philadelphia, NYC, DC,... nothing. Roads: down town is like a warzone! Huge potholes everywhere. Traffic...ummm, east bay/south bay are where most people live. Also traffic in the city is terrible too. Your Saturday routine sounds like you don't leave Marin...which sure, yeah, not a ton of traffic.
  - almost_usual 7y ago
    >You are wrong here. California has the worst homelessness problem in the country, and SF is leading within California. It is just not a national issue. I travel for work...no where is like SF for homeless. Chicago, Minneapolis, Philadelphia, NYC, DC,... nothing. Where do you think most of these homeless people from? SF originally? It's a national issue, they migrate to the West Coast from all over the country because of weather and better programs. The West Coast is pretty much the social safety net of the United States for people with mental illness and other issues. >Traffic...ummm, east bay/south bay are where most people live. Also traffic in the city is terrible too. Your Saturday routine sounds like you don't leave Marin...which sure, yeah, not a ton of traffic. I don't hit traffic in the city before 11am on the weekends. People sleep in and get started later, if you beat the rush you beat traffic. Yeah the traffic is definitely going to be where all the people live because that's where all the people live. You said SF specifically in your comment not the "Bay Area" or East Bay / Peninsula.

almost_usual 7y ago

>SF. Housing/homelessness crisis? Do nothing The city is attempting to address this very complicated problem and invest in shelters / affordable housing. A lot of wealthy home owners protest when they attempt to build housing for the poor (in their backyard). I'd argue the homeless problem in SF is more of a national / United States issue than SF specifically. >Terrible roads which are worse than Chicago I haven't been to Chicago in like half a decade but I don't think the roads in SF are terrible? >Horrendous traffic? Do nothing Traffic isn't bad unless you spend all of your time commuting in the East Bay, the Peninsula, or you pick terrible driving times on the weekend. During the work week the traffic within the city outside of FiDi is usually fine (which is most of the city). Outside of SF proper traffic is definitely pretty bad though, especially in the East Bay. I can usually leave on a Saturday at 8am, get to upper North Bay (Novato, etc), crank out a 5+ mile hike, grab lunch, and be back at home by 11:30am without hitting any traffic. People who decide to sleep in and leave at 11am definitely hit a ton of traffic (because that's a terrible driving time). >Agree with all other comments, this is stupid. Vaping isn't great. But banning it without any other options is...ultra dumb. I don't really get it, I imagine it's more of a jab towards Juul than anything else.

tanseydavid 7y ago
"I can usually leave on a Saturday at 8am, get to upper North Bay (Novato, etc), crank out a 5+ mile hike, grab lunch, and be back at home by 11:30am without hitting any traffic." Surely you must be exaggerating? How quickly do you cover 5 miles hiking? How quickly do you eat lunch for that matter?
- almost_usual 7y ago
  Did it last weekend, 1200ft increase in elevation. Pack a sandwich to eat or grab one on the go. I hike often and hit the gym 4+ days a week so I might be moving faster than average. My lunch stop is usually 10-15 min. Either way, if you start the hike before 9am in the North Bay you'll beat the traffic rush out of the city. You could spend an extra couple hours if you wanted. As long as you head back before 2pm you'll beat the re-entry rush into the city.
dannykwells 7y ago
You are wrong here. California has the worst homelessness problem in the country, and SF is leading within California. It is just not a national issue. I travel for work...no where is like SF for homeless. Chicago, Minneapolis, Philadelphia, NYC, DC,... nothing. Roads: down town is like a warzone! Huge potholes everywhere. Traffic...ummm, east bay/south bay are where most people live. Also traffic in the city is terrible too. Your Saturday routine sounds like you don't leave Marin...which sure, yeah, not a ton of traffic.
- almost_usual 7y ago
  >You are wrong here. California has the worst homelessness problem in the country, and SF is leading within California. It is just not a national issue. I travel for work...no where is like SF for homeless. Chicago, Minneapolis, Philadelphia, NYC, DC,... nothing. Where do you think most of these homeless people from? SF originally? It's a national issue, they migrate to the West Coast from all over the country because of weather and better programs. The West Coast is pretty much the social safety net of the United States for people with mental illness and other issues. >Traffic...ummm, east bay/south bay are where most people live. Also traffic in the city is terrible too. Your Saturday routine sounds like you don't leave Marin...which sure, yeah, not a ton of traffic. I don't hit traffic in the city before 11am on the weekends. People sleep in and get started later, if you beat the rush you beat traffic. Yeah the traffic is definitely going to be where all the people live because that's where all the people live. You said SF specifically in your comment not the "Bay Area" or East Bay / Peninsula.