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Easily. Vape usage among children and teenagers is going up. That should be stopped. https://www.drugabuse.gov/news-events/news-releases/2018/12/teens-using-va
by komali2 7y ago
Easily. Vape usage among children and teenagers is going up. That should be stopped.
https://www.drugabuse.gov/news-events/news-releases/2018/12/teens-using-vaping-devices-in-record-numbers https://www.drugabuse.gov/news-events/news-releases/2018/12/...
>Reported use of vaping nicotine specifically in the 30 days prior to the survey nearly doubled among high school seniors from 11 percent in 2017 to 20.9 percent in 2018. More than 1 in 10 eighth graders (10.9 percent) say they vaped nicotine in the past year, and use is up significantly in virtually all vaping measures among eighth, 10th and 12th graders.
It's already illegal for kids to buy them, but it's trivial for them to just get'm anyway when the shops are already selling them. This will mean that kids will have to leave the city to get it, or get it on the black market. That will reduce usage, and send a message to other cities that it's a tenable proposition (somebody had to be the first to ban it).
There are valid issues. The typical anti-prohibition ones that crop up are "criminal black market uprising" i.e. the mob in Chicago during alcohol prohibition. I'm not sure this is as valid as vape usage isn't as prevalent as alcohol, nor is it as integral a part of our culture. Worth watching, though.
Another issue is the apparent hypocrisy - for some reason, cigarettes can still be sold in the city, besides being decidedly more disgusting, environmentally unfriendly, and unhealthy. On the one hand, they got this vape ban through quick, so it might finally allow the banning of tobacco products as a whole to come through as well. On the other hand, why target vapes before cigarettes? I have no idea.
In any case, the goal is to get kids to stop smoking. Doing one part of that (banning juuls) isn't the entire battle, and shouldn't be treated as such.
There's the devil's advocate argument. I personally believe that a better solution is no prohibition, but massive tax to ensure the proper cost is being levied on these products - i.e., for cigarettes, purchasers need to offset their decision by providing the State with the funds to cover the environmental, public health, and public image impact of the cigarettes. Similar to the carbon tax argument. Furthermore, government resources being levied on educational outreach to ensure that the public is aware of the genuine detriments to these kinds of products. Finally (this is already implemented), ensuring companies like Marlboro aren't allowed to make false claims regarding the unhealthiness of their products, even hinting as such through imagery (i.e. showing an ad of a doctor smoking or something).
- scarface74 7y agoEasily. Vape usage among children and teenagers is going up. That should be stopped. Because banning substances has worked so well in the past - see weed.
- komali2 7y ago>see weed. I'm not sure what you mean by this, without further argument. Marijuana usage went up a couple percentage points in Colorado after legalization. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-viz-met-colorado-legal-marijuana-by-the-numbers-htmlstory.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-viz-met-colorado-lega... Prohibition kinda works, kinda doesn't. I think it really depends. Banning something like alcohol that the vast majority of the population partakes in was very silly. Banning heroin? I'm not so sure it's as simple.
- Noos 7y agoi think that if the legalized substance has strong sanctions and limits, it can work. Like smoking is legal, but disapproved, heavily taxed, and limited in public. If the sanctions don't or can't exist, legalization won't work in the long run.
- scarface74 7y agoI meant just the opposite. Keeping weed illegal didn’t affect the usage. If it only went up a couple of percentage points that implies that anyone who wanted it, was easily able to get it and it being illegal wasn’t a deterrent.
- kortilla 7y agoMassive tax on vaping for what harm?
- komali2 7y agoThe environmental impact that goes into making the plastics, batteries, and fluids (please don't try to catch me out on hypocrisy here: yes, I do believe the same should be true for cars, phones, and other consumer products). The environmental impact on the pens that use disposable, non recyclable cartridges. The public health impact from the increase in chance of heart attack to vape pen users.