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Anecdotally, I (as a college student) know more than 20x the number of people who vape than people who smoke. Smoking is bad, but vaping is becoming incredibly

Anecdotally, I (as a college student) know more than 20x the number of people who vape than people who smoke. Smoking is bad, but vaping is becoming incredibly mainstream with young people to the point where it's a bigger health risk.

ses1984 7y ago
I don't know if you realize how mainstream smoking was. Everyone did it. Eeeeeveryone. I have a feeling most of your college friends will grow out of vaping.
- ladberg 7y ago
  I get that everyone smoking is way worse than everyone vaping, but nowadays smoking (cigarettes) isn't popular at all. Even without vaping claiming some of the would-be smokers, I doubt a significant portion of my generation would smoke. Of course, I'm also biased by having only lived in LA and the Bay Area where I bet smoking is less prevalent than other parts of the country.
JamesBarney 7y ago
Some of those vapers would have been smokers. And the smoking rate for youth never got close to being below 5%. Huff post says that in 2011 it was 16% for youth. So if you know 20-30x vapers than smokers that's incredible evidence that vaping is reducing the number of smokers dramatically. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cigarette-smoking-decline_n_6855468 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cigarette-smoking-decline_n_6... For some historical context when I started college in mid 2000's 20-30% of the people I knew smoked.
natermer 7y ago
I really don't think that this is a accurate statement at all. There are a few dangers to vaping. The biggest one is having a vaporizer that is malfunctioning and is burning things instead of heating them up. The complex chemical reactions are difficult to predict. But it has the side effect of tasting like shit. The second biggest danger is the flavorings. However the community has been very good at self-policing and eliminating flavors that are found to pose a risk. The last danger is a sort of being a idiot and using way too much nicotine. On the flip side you can have zero nicotine. So peer pressure isn't really even a problem as you can get zero nicotine juices.
- ladberg 7y ago
  You can get zero nicotine, but not everyone does. I know a few people who accidentally got themselves addicted to nicotine by vaping too much without really thinking of the consequences.
  - brokenkebab 7y ago
    Seriously, "I know a guy who didn't think" is not an argument for prohibition (and probably not an argument for anything at all).
  - JamesBarney 7y ago
    Your friend didn't know nicotine was addictive?
    - ladberg 7y ago
      Everyone knows nicotine is addictive, not everyone knows how much nicotine they are ingesting when they vape as you can take in much more way faster than you can by smoking.
- elhudy 7y ago
  Wouldn't regularly functioning vapes be a danger to your lungs simply due to the heated air? I.e. at what temperature does vapor become dangerous?
  - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
    There's so much unheated air accompanying the vapour, through the air vents, that my recollection of vaping is it wasn't even warm. I'm sure there is a temperature difference after the vaporiser, but I never noticed it. Completely unlike smoking where you often noticed it was hot. Sounds like something for a Youtuber to measure. :) I never tried a Juul, just regular mods and vape pens if that makes a difference.
    - 7y ago
kortilla 7y ago
everyone vaping is better than the previous numbers of smokers. I don’t think you’re really grasping the difference. Without vaping, that smoking rate would probably be 1/6 people, which is worse than everyone vaping.
buttcoinslol 7y ago
~20 years ago when I was in high school/college, 90%+ of those people you know that vape would have been cigarette smokers. I don't think you grasp just how much harm reduction there is from all those kids vaping instead of smoking cigarettes.

ses1984 7y ago

I don't know if you realize how mainstream smoking was. Everyone did it. Eeeeeveryone. I have a feeling most of your college friends will grow out of vaping.

ladberg 7y ago
I get that everyone smoking is way worse than everyone vaping, but nowadays smoking (cigarettes) isn't popular at all. Even without vaping claiming some of the would-be smokers, I doubt a significant portion of my generation would smoke. Of course, I'm also biased by having only lived in LA and the Bay Area where I bet smoking is less prevalent than other parts of the country.

JamesBarney 7y ago

Some of those vapers would have been smokers. And the smoking rate for youth never got close to being below 5%. Huff post says that in 2011 it was 16% for youth. So if you know 20-30x vapers than smokers that's incredible evidence that vaping is reducing the number of smokers dramatically. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cigarette-smoking-decline_n_6855468 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cigarette-smoking-decline_n_6... For some historical context when I started college in mid 2000's 20-30% of the people I knew smoked.

natermer 7y ago

I really don't think that this is a accurate statement at all. There are a few dangers to vaping. The biggest one is having a vaporizer that is malfunctioning and is burning things instead of heating them up. The complex chemical reactions are difficult to predict. But it has the side effect of tasting like shit. The second biggest danger is the flavorings. However the community has been very good at self-policing and eliminating flavors that are found to pose a risk. The last danger is a sort of being a idiot and using way too much nicotine. On the flip side you can have zero nicotine. So peer pressure isn't really even a problem as you can get zero nicotine juices.

ladberg 7y ago
You can get zero nicotine, but not everyone does. I know a few people who accidentally got themselves addicted to nicotine by vaping too much without really thinking of the consequences.
- brokenkebab 7y ago
  Seriously, "I know a guy who didn't think" is not an argument for prohibition (and probably not an argument for anything at all).
- JamesBarney 7y ago
  Your friend didn't know nicotine was addictive?
  - ladberg 7y ago
    Everyone knows nicotine is addictive, not everyone knows how much nicotine they are ingesting when they vape as you can take in much more way faster than you can by smoking.
elhudy 7y ago
Wouldn't regularly functioning vapes be a danger to your lungs simply due to the heated air? I.e. at what temperature does vapor become dangerous?
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago
  There's so much unheated air accompanying the vapour, through the air vents, that my recollection of vaping is it wasn't even warm. I'm sure there is a temperature difference after the vaporiser, but I never noticed it. Completely unlike smoking where you often noticed it was hot. Sounds like something for a Youtuber to measure. :) I never tried a Juul, just regular mods and vape pens if that makes a difference.
  - 7y ago

kortilla 7y ago

everyone vaping is better than the previous numbers of smokers. I don’t think you’re really grasping the difference. Without vaping, that smoking rate would probably be 1/6 people, which is worse than everyone vaping.

buttcoinslol 7y ago

~20 years ago when I was in high school/college, 90%+ of those people you know that vape would have been cigarette smokers. I don't think you grasp just how much harm reduction there is from all those kids vaping instead of smoking cigarettes.