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Heh. Well, I realize this is anecdotal, but I'd probably still be smoking a pack a day if I hadn't tried out e-cigs as a cessation tool. It really makes it easy

by tjr225 7y ago

Heh. Well, I realize this is anecdotal, but I'd probably still be smoking a pack a day if I hadn't tried out e-cigs as a cessation tool. It really makes it easy. Smoke and Vape free for around 4 years now.

munk-a 7y ago
I know a bunch of people with you and e-cigs have real benefits for allowing people to ween off the addiction that patches never offered... it's just that the marketing actions of these companies have been incredibly irresponsible and the inaction from the US Surgeon General has been embarrassing. I really don't want anyone to feel shamed over their smoking habit but it's an unhealthy thing and if you get into as an adult you should do so only when you're fully aware of the consequences - the way they've been advertised has hooked a lot of minors.
- dvtrn 7y ago
  When you talk about irresponsible marketing, do you mean from the e-cig companies specifically and do you have examples? My only experience with the e-cigarette marketing have been commercials where some guy is standing there telling you the same type of stories being shared here “I used to smoke x amount of cigarettes a day, now I use this”, followed by the usual boilerplate “nicotine is an addictive substance” disclaimer, a brand/logo, commercial ends. Seems benign enough, I can certainly see how some may be turned off by the existence of such marketing at all, is this perhaps what you meant by them being irresponsible or could you help me understand a bit better?
  - munk-a 7y ago
    I do have an example, the skytrain station I usually disembark on recently was plastered with vape ads[1][2]. I don't really see why e-cigarettes should need to advertise at all, they could simply be devices suggested to smokers by medical professionals as a cessation aid. I think we can also look to history when it comes to the flavouring of things, it used to be that medicines would be sweetened to override the natural bitter or acidic tastes of the active ingredients but this led to more abuse of those substances. [1] https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/vaping-ads-e1558133041926.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=372 https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/vaping-ad... [2] https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/web-vape-1-e1558133842121.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=720&h=379&crop=1 https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/web-vape-...
    - dvtrn 7y ago
      I don't really see why e-cigarettes should need to advertise at all, they could simply be devices suggested to smokers by medical professionals as a cessation aid. Had to let this post sit for a minute before responding, and on the grounds you're offering, to really think about it and look at other examples; ultimately I think I agree with you. Your point is well met.
  - detaro 7y ago
    https://www.google.com/search?q=juul+ads&safe=off&hl=de&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=juul+ads&safe=off&hl=de&tbm=... as a starting point for ads very much on the "attract young people", not the "medically helpful device" end of the spectrum.
    - munk-a 7y ago
      Up here in Canada I've seen more Vype ads[1] which aren't quite as bad... those are hilarious - I really don't understand how people can say they're not targeting young people with a straight face. [1] https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=vype+ads&oq=vype+ads&gs_l=img https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=vype+ads&oq=vype+ad...

by tjr225 7y ago

munk-a 7y ago

I know a bunch of people with you and e-cigs have real benefits for allowing people to ween off the addiction that patches never offered... it's just that the marketing actions of these companies have been incredibly irresponsible and the inaction from the US Surgeon General has been embarrassing. I really don't want anyone to feel shamed over their smoking habit but it's an unhealthy thing and if you get into as an adult you should do so only when you're fully aware of the consequences - the way they've been advertised has hooked a lot of minors.

dvtrn 7y ago
When you talk about irresponsible marketing, do you mean from the e-cig companies specifically and do you have examples? My only experience with the e-cigarette marketing have been commercials where some guy is standing there telling you the same type of stories being shared here “I used to smoke x amount of cigarettes a day, now I use this”, followed by the usual boilerplate “nicotine is an addictive substance” disclaimer, a brand/logo, commercial ends. Seems benign enough, I can certainly see how some may be turned off by the existence of such marketing at all, is this perhaps what you meant by them being irresponsible or could you help me understand a bit better?
- munk-a 7y ago
  I do have an example, the skytrain station I usually disembark on recently was plastered with vape ads[1][2]. I don't really see why e-cigarettes should need to advertise at all, they could simply be devices suggested to smokers by medical professionals as a cessation aid. I think we can also look to history when it comes to the flavouring of things, it used to be that medicines would be sweetened to override the natural bitter or acidic tastes of the active ingredients but this led to more abuse of those substances. [1] https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/vaping-ads-e1558133041926.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=372 https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/vaping-ad... [2] https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/web-vape-1-e1558133842121.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=720&h=379&crop=1 https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/web-vape-...
  - dvtrn 7y ago
    I don't really see why e-cigarettes should need to advertise at all, they could simply be devices suggested to smokers by medical professionals as a cessation aid. Had to let this post sit for a minute before responding, and on the grounds you're offering, to really think about it and look at other examples; ultimately I think I agree with you. Your point is well met.
- detaro 7y ago
  https://www.google.com/search?q=juul+ads&safe=off&hl=de&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=juul+ads&safe=off&hl=de&tbm=... as a starting point for ads very much on the "attract young people", not the "medically helpful device" end of the spectrum.
  - munk-a 7y ago
    Up here in Canada I've seen more Vype ads[1] which aren't quite as bad... those are hilarious - I really don't understand how people can say they're not targeting young people with a straight face. [1] https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=vype+ads&oq=vype+ads&gs_l=img https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=vype+ads&oq=vype+ad...