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Strawman. I never said there was anything wrong or untrue about the claims in the paper. I'm just trying to put that into perspective. You're not new to HN. You

Strawman. I never said there was anything wrong or untrue about the claims in the paper. I'm just trying to put that into perspective. You're not new to HN. You must know that people here mostly see "360TB super-durable media" and immediately jump to thinking about how they'll put their private copy of the npm repository on it tomorrow. Or their transient ML training data. Or their porn stash. Pretending perspective is irrelevant so you can score some internet points is - to borrow your own phrase - childish.

kragen 7y ago
You said, "There's a long and mostly bad history of claims…" which I interpreted — I think reasonably — as asserting that these past claims were false. (In what other sense can a claim be bad?) I was rebutting that reasonable interpretation of what you said, not a strawman. I am pleased to see that you are not claiming that the paper is false. False conclusions hypothetically jumped to by finance-obsessed man-children and brogrammers, in JWZ's immortal phrase, are not my problem. Mere assertion that their perspectives are relevant does not constitute an argument for their relevance. In fact, nobody in this thread has so far suggested storing their replica of the npm archive, their ML training data, or their porn collection on one of these discs, so your concern seems to be entirely without an empirical foundation.
- notacoward 7y ago
  > Mere assertion that their perspectives are relevant Is it your reading comprehension that's lacking, or just your integrity? I said perspective is relevant. I didn't say their perspective.
  - kragen 7y ago
    What would it even mean for perspective per se to be relevant or not? We aren't discussing art history! I did indeed read your comment as saying that the perspectives of the hypothetical conclusion-jumpers were relevant, which would at least have been coherent. I can't make heads or tails of your comment about perspective being relevant — you apparently meant to accuse me of some kind of dishonesty, but it isn't even clear what I'm being accused of. In any case, your comments so far provide very little reason to take seriously anything you say.
    - notacoward 7y ago
      "Perspective is relevant" means that it's important to have some. This is a cool scientific advance. I said so before you even showed up. But it's not something that's immediately useful to most readers. That's perspective: like this from one POV, like that from another. Is that clear enough for you?

kragen 7y ago

You said, "There's a long and mostly bad history of claims…" which I interpreted — I think reasonably — as asserting that these past claims were false. (In what other sense can a claim be bad?) I was rebutting that reasonable interpretation of what you said, not a strawman. I am pleased to see that you are not claiming that the paper is false. False conclusions hypothetically jumped to by finance-obsessed man-children and brogrammers, in JWZ's immortal phrase, are not my problem. Mere assertion that their perspectives are relevant does not constitute an argument for their relevance. In fact, nobody in this thread has so far suggested storing their replica of the npm archive, their ML training data, or their porn collection on one of these discs, so your concern seems to be entirely without an empirical foundation.

notacoward 7y ago
> Mere assertion that their perspectives are relevant Is it your reading comprehension that's lacking, or just your integrity? I said perspective is relevant. I didn't say their perspective.
- kragen 7y ago
  What would it even mean for perspective per se to be relevant or not? We aren't discussing art history! I did indeed read your comment as saying that the perspectives of the hypothetical conclusion-jumpers were relevant, which would at least have been coherent. I can't make heads or tails of your comment about perspective being relevant — you apparently meant to accuse me of some kind of dishonesty, but it isn't even clear what I'm being accused of. In any case, your comments so far provide very little reason to take seriously anything you say.
  - notacoward 7y ago
    "Perspective is relevant" means that it's important to have some. This is a cool scientific advance. I said so before you even showed up. But it's not something that's immediately useful to most readers. That's perspective: like this from one POV, like that from another. Is that clear enough for you?