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I factory reset my phone yesterday and during the setup process Google asked me to enable location & web tracking. There was a thick, blue button that said "Tur

I factory reset my phone yesterday and during the setup process Google asked me to enable location & web tracking. There was a thick, blue button that said "Turn On" at the bottom. But until I scrolled the arbitrarily extended page all the way to the bottom, the option to keep it off (with no button background, just text) didn't appear. That should be straight up illegal, hands down. When we are talking about user privacy these details matter and should be regulated. We don't need to regulate presentation elements but we need to regulate equivalency of options and what some defaults should be.

hinkley 7y ago
The light grey button with white text makes me smolder, and it's getting a little hotter every time I encounter it.
- EGreg 7y ago
  Better than the white button with white text! When iOS 7 removed skeumorphism, they made it harder to see controls. Sometimes the controls were white on a white website. Like on Google Chrome address bar! And in YouTube also.
  - wlesieutre 7y ago
    A note for anyone who has trouble telling what's tappable on an iOS device: there's a setting under Accessibility -> Display & Text Size -> Button Shapes that will add outline/fill to some tappable elements, as well as underlines of tappable text
m463 7y ago
Tesla does the same thing in the latest software. To configure car settings on the main display, there is a sidebar on the left, and settings to the right. For example, select "Driving" on the left, and in the pane to the right you can switch the acceleration mode, or steering wheel effort, or regenerative braking level. If you select "Safety and Security" in the sidebar, there are a number of settings in the pane to the right. The trick? the right pane is scrollable. Like realplayer. Move your finger upwards to reveal a [Data Sharing] button to disable sharing of car data/video clips with Tesla.
- pests 7y ago
  Is that the same? Other panes in that settings screen require scrolling too. I just checked. There are many options and it's obvious you can scroll on that pane. The only deceptive thing might be having it at the bottom of the list. edit: It may be a weird place for that option too thinking about it. Here's a picture of how it looks by default. I think the sentry mode text and how it's grayed out implies you can scroll. https://imgur.com/gallery/RqSnWLk https://imgur.com/gallery/RqSnWLk
  - soulofmischief 7y ago
    Yeah, that just seems like bad UI more than Dark UI.
  - m463 7y ago
    Oh, you have a model 3. On the model S, with the v9 update no other screens were scrollable. I knew you could disable it, and I hunted for quite some time before I found the trick. I recently got a 2019.x update which added language options to the "Display" pane, and that became the second pane to be scrollable. (There's also the obvious thought that NO setting should require scrolling to find because you're driving a car)
    - pests 7y ago
      Ah yes! I knew I actually felt this issue somewhere too and it was on the loaner S. I get it now because of the portrait display. I even double checked before I made my original comment because I was doubting myself. There are a bunch of little UI issues. Backseat warmers hidden in menus. No physical gloveblock button. You can't press and slide the volume up all the way because you slide off the edge of the screen. Honestly the behind the wheel display on the S was nice. I liked the W/mi gauge better than the white line on the 3 and the full bleed map looks nice.
epistasis 7y ago
The decision to get rid of visual scroll indicators is something that I curse nearly every single day.
- B-Con 7y ago
  But it reduces information overload! Improved UX! I've made so many mistakes because I couldn't tell something overflowed. The scrollbar doesn't have to be big and ugly but it should still be present. At a minimum give a visual indicator that there's more content and then I know to try scrolling to see if it works. It's a stupid UX fad.
  - soulofmischief 7y ago
    I think even this should be regulated in panes which provide control or information about sensitive user data. If there is overflow, there should be a scroll bar or other visual indicator.
nullc 7y ago
My favorite related example is on my older android phone was that if you told it to not ask for permission for enhanced location again it would grey out the ability to say no. Maybe my newer android phone has the same unethical behavior ... with that setup it was just a matter of time before I (or someone I handed the phone too) accidentally forever-authorized it.
- soulofmischief 7y ago
  Not to mention the fact that Google constantly spams you both in your notifications pane and every single Google app for you to turn on location and web history, and even arbitrarily restricts features which would otherwise work without them, such as Google Assistant.

hinkley 7y ago

The light grey button with white text makes me smolder, and it's getting a little hotter every time I encounter it.

EGreg 7y ago
Better than the white button with white text! When iOS 7 removed skeumorphism, they made it harder to see controls. Sometimes the controls were white on a white website. Like on Google Chrome address bar! And in YouTube also.
- wlesieutre 7y ago
  A note for anyone who has trouble telling what's tappable on an iOS device: there's a setting under Accessibility -> Display & Text Size -> Button Shapes that will add outline/fill to some tappable elements, as well as underlines of tappable text

m463 7y ago

Tesla does the same thing in the latest software. To configure car settings on the main display, there is a sidebar on the left, and settings to the right. For example, select "Driving" on the left, and in the pane to the right you can switch the acceleration mode, or steering wheel effort, or regenerative braking level. If you select "Safety and Security" in the sidebar, there are a number of settings in the pane to the right. The trick? the right pane is scrollable. Like realplayer. Move your finger upwards to reveal a [Data Sharing] button to disable sharing of car data/video clips with Tesla.

pests 7y ago
Is that the same? Other panes in that settings screen require scrolling too. I just checked. There are many options and it's obvious you can scroll on that pane. The only deceptive thing might be having it at the bottom of the list. edit: It may be a weird place for that option too thinking about it. Here's a picture of how it looks by default. I think the sentry mode text and how it's grayed out implies you can scroll. https://imgur.com/gallery/RqSnWLk https://imgur.com/gallery/RqSnWLk
- soulofmischief 7y ago
  Yeah, that just seems like bad UI more than Dark UI.
- m463 7y ago
  Oh, you have a model 3. On the model S, with the v9 update no other screens were scrollable. I knew you could disable it, and I hunted for quite some time before I found the trick. I recently got a 2019.x update which added language options to the "Display" pane, and that became the second pane to be scrollable. (There's also the obvious thought that NO setting should require scrolling to find because you're driving a car)
  - pests 7y ago
    Ah yes! I knew I actually felt this issue somewhere too and it was on the loaner S. I get it now because of the portrait display. I even double checked before I made my original comment because I was doubting myself. There are a bunch of little UI issues. Backseat warmers hidden in menus. No physical gloveblock button. You can't press and slide the volume up all the way because you slide off the edge of the screen. Honestly the behind the wheel display on the S was nice. I liked the W/mi gauge better than the white line on the 3 and the full bleed map looks nice.

epistasis 7y ago

The decision to get rid of visual scroll indicators is something that I curse nearly every single day.

B-Con 7y ago
But it reduces information overload! Improved UX! I've made so many mistakes because I couldn't tell something overflowed. The scrollbar doesn't have to be big and ugly but it should still be present. At a minimum give a visual indicator that there's more content and then I know to try scrolling to see if it works. It's a stupid UX fad.
- soulofmischief 7y ago
  I think even this should be regulated in panes which provide control or information about sensitive user data. If there is overflow, there should be a scroll bar or other visual indicator.

nullc 7y ago

My favorite related example is on my older android phone was that if you told it to not ask for permission for enhanced location again it would grey out the ability to say no. Maybe my newer android phone has the same unethical behavior ... with that setup it was just a matter of time before I (or someone I handed the phone too) accidentally forever-authorized it.

soulofmischief 7y ago
Not to mention the fact that Google constantly spams you both in your notifications pane and every single Google app for you to turn on location and web history, and even arbitrarily restricts features which would otherwise work without them, such as Google Assistant.