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Uh, no. Truvada is a generic drug in many countries around the world and cost maybe $10/month not $2000/month. The US just allows Gilead to profit massively fro

Uh, no. Truvada is a generic drug in many countries around the world and cost maybe $10/month not $2000/month. The US just allows Gilead to profit massively from something that is generic and in the public health interest of all Americans to be as cheap as possible. In fact, Gilead agreed to speed up the expiration of their exclusivity so that it will become generic in 2020 due to public outcry, but the fact that a life saving drug will still be $2000/month for a year or more when it could be $10 tomorrow is terrible.

Veelox 7y ago
> a life saving drug I think you are technically correct that Truvada is a life saving drug but I feel you are being dishonest. If you exclude occupations where you could be exposed to HIV, most of the US users of Truvada could choose to change their behaviors and reduce their chance of contracting HIV to <1%. There is also the general trend that US companies pay large amounts of money to develop drugs, charge US customers enough to cover R&D costs and then sell the drugs at cost internationally. Does that suck for us? Yes, but it helps the rest of the world significantly.
- lanrh1836 7y ago
  Wow, this is a bad take. You could literally say that about any disease. Why don’t all obese people just change their behavior and then we don’t need to worry about cheap insulin anymore! Why don’t men stop having sex with each other and then they won’t be at risk for HIV?
  - Veelox 7y ago
    >Why don’t all obese people just change their behavior and then we don’t need to worry about cheap insulin anymore! For type 2 diabetics, behavior changes should be a part of the treatment plan. That said, if you currently have diabetics and you don't get insulin you will die thus it does qualify as life saving medicine. >Why don’t men stop having sex with each other and then they won’t be at risk for HIV? While it is not pleasant, people are not going to die just because they have to stay abstinent. You don't even have to be abstinent, you can find a group of 10 or even 50 guys, make sure everyone is HIV negative and then you can do what ever you want, as often as you want, with no need for drugs. Calling it a "life saving drug" is correct in many cases (NGO worker in parts of Africa) using the term "life saving drug" to advocate for people to be able to cheaply have unprotected sex with strangers is dishonest rhetoric.
    - djakjxnanjak 7y ago
      If those filthy citizens would just wash their hands, we wouldn’t need to waste money developing flu treatment either. You’re a genius! We can save so much money. And we can stop working on making cars safer - all we have to do is tell everyone to follow the rules of the road and almost all collisions will be prevented!
      - Veelox 7y ago
        While you are taking the idea to the extreme to make a point, I agree with the underlying argument that we should work to modify behavior to improve outcomes. A lot of money has been spent reducing tobacco use which has paid for itself in better health outcomes.
        djakjxnanjak 7y ago
        When there are multiple cost-effective public health measures that can achieve the same end, we should pursue all of them. In the case of Truvada, we already did the hard part (inventing it). Now it’s just a chemical that can be infinitely duplicated a low cost. It would be a huge wasted opportunity, a moral crime really, not to give it away for free to everyone that can benefit from it. And the same is true for the flu vaccine, the birth control pill, the seat belt, etc. These are miraculous technological advances. If you support the use of these advances, but not Truvada, I would take a hard look at what factors might be playing into that.
  - amanaplanacanal 7y ago
    > Why don’t men stop having sex with each other and then they won’t be at risk for HIV? OK, you seem to have some misunderstandings about HIV. Through an accident of history, HIV in the US spread through the gay population first. That is not the case for HIV generally, and any thought that not having sex with other men is going to protect you is totally wrong.
    - Amezarak 7y ago
      The overwhelming majority of new HIV infections are men having sex with men. Having unprotected anal sex with a man is absolutely the highest risk category for HIV. https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html The second risk factor is using intravenous drugs. Stay away from these two things and you are very safe. It’s also not so much historical factors as the fact that anal sex is a little more than 30x more likely to spread HIV than vaginal sex.
busymom0 7y ago
USA also does a huge majority of the research and development for most drugs and developing new drugs is insanely expensive. The profit is the reason why there is incentive to do this research and there also won't be any money left to research and develop new ones. If there was no profit to be made, there would be no reason to develop new drugs.

Veelox 7y ago

> a life saving drug I think you are technically correct that Truvada is a life saving drug but I feel you are being dishonest. If you exclude occupations where you could be exposed to HIV, most of the US users of Truvada could choose to change their behaviors and reduce their chance of contracting HIV to <1%. There is also the general trend that US companies pay large amounts of money to develop drugs, charge US customers enough to cover R&D costs and then sell the drugs at cost internationally. Does that suck for us? Yes, but it helps the rest of the world significantly.

lanrh1836 7y ago
Wow, this is a bad take. You could literally say that about any disease. Why don’t all obese people just change their behavior and then we don’t need to worry about cheap insulin anymore! Why don’t men stop having sex with each other and then they won’t be at risk for HIV?
- Veelox 7y ago
  >Why don’t all obese people just change their behavior and then we don’t need to worry about cheap insulin anymore! For type 2 diabetics, behavior changes should be a part of the treatment plan. That said, if you currently have diabetics and you don't get insulin you will die thus it does qualify as life saving medicine. >Why don’t men stop having sex with each other and then they won’t be at risk for HIV? While it is not pleasant, people are not going to die just because they have to stay abstinent. You don't even have to be abstinent, you can find a group of 10 or even 50 guys, make sure everyone is HIV negative and then you can do what ever you want, as often as you want, with no need for drugs. Calling it a "life saving drug" is correct in many cases (NGO worker in parts of Africa) using the term "life saving drug" to advocate for people to be able to cheaply have unprotected sex with strangers is dishonest rhetoric.
  - djakjxnanjak 7y ago
    If those filthy citizens would just wash their hands, we wouldn’t need to waste money developing flu treatment either. You’re a genius! We can save so much money. And we can stop working on making cars safer - all we have to do is tell everyone to follow the rules of the road and almost all collisions will be prevented!
    - Veelox 7y ago
      While you are taking the idea to the extreme to make a point, I agree with the underlying argument that we should work to modify behavior to improve outcomes. A lot of money has been spent reducing tobacco use which has paid for itself in better health outcomes.
      - djakjxnanjak 7y ago
        When there are multiple cost-effective public health measures that can achieve the same end, we should pursue all of them. In the case of Truvada, we already did the hard part (inventing it). Now it’s just a chemical that can be infinitely duplicated a low cost. It would be a huge wasted opportunity, a moral crime really, not to give it away for free to everyone that can benefit from it. And the same is true for the flu vaccine, the birth control pill, the seat belt, etc. These are miraculous technological advances. If you support the use of these advances, but not Truvada, I would take a hard look at what factors might be playing into that.
- amanaplanacanal 7y ago
  > Why don’t men stop having sex with each other and then they won’t be at risk for HIV? OK, you seem to have some misunderstandings about HIV. Through an accident of history, HIV in the US spread through the gay population first. That is not the case for HIV generally, and any thought that not having sex with other men is going to protect you is totally wrong.
  - Amezarak 7y ago
    The overwhelming majority of new HIV infections are men having sex with men. Having unprotected anal sex with a man is absolutely the highest risk category for HIV. https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html The second risk factor is using intravenous drugs. Stay away from these two things and you are very safe. It’s also not so much historical factors as the fact that anal sex is a little more than 30x more likely to spread HIV than vaginal sex.

busymom0 7y ago

USA also does a huge majority of the research and development for most drugs and developing new drugs is insanely expensive. The profit is the reason why there is incentive to do this research and there also won't be any money left to research and develop new ones. If there was no profit to be made, there would be no reason to develop new drugs.