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Is the motivating idea behind this that patients can demand the same price that insurance companies are getting and ultimately lessen the monopoly insurance com

Is the motivating idea behind this that patients can demand the same price that insurance companies are getting and ultimately lessen the monopoly insurance companies have? Maybe even just get much cheaper insurance for true emergencies and pay out of pocket for everything else?

falsedan 7y ago
Probably not. More like the HMOs can see the deals each other are getting & maybe new entrants in the market can budget accurately before launching. What would be best if this was a way to collect medical cost trends for a couple of years to pave the way for price regulation.
assblaster 7y ago
If I can pay the negotiated rate, I'm leaving the health insurance marketplace altogether and self-insuring. Why pay $20k+ per year in premiums when I can just save and invest that and pay low prices when needed?
- Aloisius 7y ago
  Because negotiated prices aren't actually low for a good chunk of treatments - especially for the health conditions that someone paying $20k+/year already in premiums is more likely to contract.
  - assblaster 7y ago
    I pay $25k/year for family insurance with high deductible, and no pre-existing conditions. Negotiated prices paid by insurance actually are pretty good, but could be even better with the price transparency that will come about with Trump's executive order.
- ThrustVectoring 7y ago
  Because you cannot save enough cash to be able to afford every worthwhile treatment through up-front payment. If you don't have $150k in cash and don't have insurance, you can't get chemotherapy and die a preventable death. With insurance, the worst case is paying your out of pocket maximum, getting treatment, and then declaring bankruptcy or otherwise fighting attempts to balance bill you for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
  - assblaster 7y ago
    Your assumption of $150k for chemotherapy treatment is exaggerated, especially in light of Trump's executive order to try to get price transparency at the level of actual insurance reimbursement. $25k/year over ten years is $250,000, and compounded at 6% is $319,000. So yeah, I'd easily be able to self insure for anything.

falsedan 7y ago

Probably not. More like the HMOs can see the deals each other are getting & maybe new entrants in the market can budget accurately before launching. What would be best if this was a way to collect medical cost trends for a couple of years to pave the way for price regulation.

assblaster 7y ago

If I can pay the negotiated rate, I'm leaving the health insurance marketplace altogether and self-insuring. Why pay $20k+ per year in premiums when I can just save and invest that and pay low prices when needed?

Aloisius 7y ago
Because negotiated prices aren't actually low for a good chunk of treatments - especially for the health conditions that someone paying $20k+/year already in premiums is more likely to contract.
- assblaster 7y ago
  I pay $25k/year for family insurance with high deductible, and no pre-existing conditions. Negotiated prices paid by insurance actually are pretty good, but could be even better with the price transparency that will come about with Trump's executive order.
ThrustVectoring 7y ago
Because you cannot save enough cash to be able to afford every worthwhile treatment through up-front payment. If you don't have $150k in cash and don't have insurance, you can't get chemotherapy and die a preventable death. With insurance, the worst case is paying your out of pocket maximum, getting treatment, and then declaring bankruptcy or otherwise fighting attempts to balance bill you for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
- assblaster 7y ago
  Your assumption of $150k for chemotherapy treatment is exaggerated, especially in light of Trump's executive order to try to get price transparency at the level of actual insurance reimbursement. $25k/year over ten years is $250,000, and compounded at 6% is $319,000. So yeah, I'd easily be able to self insure for anything.