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"Why is this titled this way? This is not inherent or specific to iPhones." My guess is that it's because that's what the article is about. Specific, named app

"Why is this titled this way? This is not inherent or specific to iPhones." My guess is that it's because that's what the article is about. Specific, named apps (for example "DoorDash"), running on an iPhone, and sending specific, named data ("device name, model, ad identifier and memory size") to other companies servers. So it's a very accurate title. It's bizarre to complain about this with whatabout statements. It's like reading an article about soldiers from a given country killing civilians and saying that we already knew this, and that soldiers from other countries do it too. So what? This story is about this specific instance of it.

dpkonofa 7y ago
Ok but that entire insinuation is disingenuous. The article is taking a statement that Tim Cook made about what happens on an iPhone users phone in terms of Messages, FaceTime, and Apple Pay and is attempting to apply it to the entire App Store when that's never ever been the argument Apple's making. If anything, Apple is the only company that's tried to educate users about their data and isn't actively seeking to make a profit off that data. And even your "whatabout" complaint seems disingenuous. This is more like reading an article that says that the US government is killing innocent civilians and then someone pointing out that the civilians were actually killed by an individual that worked for a contracting company that the US government hired. You can't, in good faith, make the connection that the actions of an individual somehow equate to the actions of the whole organization just because there was some tangential relationship. Apple doesn't do this. Full stop. Specific apps do it and they do it regardless of the platform. This has nothing to do with Apple and the article, source and re-post, are simply dragging Apple into it for clickbait headlines.
- SomeOldThrow 7y ago
  What's the point of the walled garden to the end user if they don't use it to stop behavior like this? The entire pitch was that it allowed quality control. Without that it's just blatantly getting a cut of other people's work.
  - dpkonofa 7y ago
    The walled garden isn't some impenetrable fortress, though. It does allow quality control and that is shown time again and easily seen when you compare the Apple App Store against the Google Play store, for example. All Apple is verifying, though, is that the app is coming from who it says it's coming from. It's these companies themselves that are selling the data to third-party companies. Unless Apple can someone predict and detect this reliably for every app, the onus of responsibility should be on the companies and their developers, not on Apple.
- iamnotacrook 7y ago
  "simply dragging Apple into it for clickbait headlines." The headline doesn't mention Apple at all. It's about iPhone apps. Your desire to defend Apple ("...the only company...actions of an individual....Apple doesn't so this"). is causing you to lose sight of the point of this story. The story is about iPhone apps communicating with unknown servers. You're welcome to write your own story about how good Apple is at stopping iPhone apps communicating with unknown servers, but that isn't what this story is about.
  - dpkonofa 7y ago
    Now you're being disingenuous or just flat-out lying. The title and headline of the story is literally "It’s the middle of the night. Do you know who your iPhone is talking to? - Apple says, 'What happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone.' Our privacy experiment showed 5,400 hidden app trackers guzzled our data — in a single week." It's taking something that Apple said out of context and applying their actions to it as if they're somehow being duplicitous.

dpkonofa 7y ago

Ok but that entire insinuation is disingenuous. The article is taking a statement that Tim Cook made about what happens on an iPhone users phone in terms of Messages, FaceTime, and Apple Pay and is attempting to apply it to the entire App Store when that's never ever been the argument Apple's making. If anything, Apple is the only company that's tried to educate users about their data and isn't actively seeking to make a profit off that data. And even your "whatabout" complaint seems disingenuous. This is more like reading an article that says that the US government is killing innocent civilians and then someone pointing out that the civilians were actually killed by an individual that worked for a contracting company that the US government hired. You can't, in good faith, make the connection that the actions of an individual somehow equate to the actions of the whole organization just because there was some tangential relationship. Apple doesn't do this. Full stop. Specific apps do it and they do it regardless of the platform. This has nothing to do with Apple and the article, source and re-post, are simply dragging Apple into it for clickbait headlines.

SomeOldThrow 7y ago
What's the point of the walled garden to the end user if they don't use it to stop behavior like this? The entire pitch was that it allowed quality control. Without that it's just blatantly getting a cut of other people's work.
- dpkonofa 7y ago
  The walled garden isn't some impenetrable fortress, though. It does allow quality control and that is shown time again and easily seen when you compare the Apple App Store against the Google Play store, for example. All Apple is verifying, though, is that the app is coming from who it says it's coming from. It's these companies themselves that are selling the data to third-party companies. Unless Apple can someone predict and detect this reliably for every app, the onus of responsibility should be on the companies and their developers, not on Apple.
iamnotacrook 7y ago
"simply dragging Apple into it for clickbait headlines." The headline doesn't mention Apple at all. It's about iPhone apps. Your desire to defend Apple ("...the only company...actions of an individual....Apple doesn't so this"). is causing you to lose sight of the point of this story. The story is about iPhone apps communicating with unknown servers. You're welcome to write your own story about how good Apple is at stopping iPhone apps communicating with unknown servers, but that isn't what this story is about.
- dpkonofa 7y ago
  Now you're being disingenuous or just flat-out lying. The title and headline of the story is literally "It’s the middle of the night. Do you know who your iPhone is talking to? - Apple says, 'What happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone.' Our privacy experiment showed 5,400 hidden app trackers guzzled our data — in a single week." It's taking something that Apple said out of context and applying their actions to it as if they're somehow being duplicitous.