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That's a bit of a mental leap. I'm no fan of the guy at all but saying that support for Trump == support for white supremacy simply isn't true. If their issue i

That's a bit of a mental leap. I'm no fan of the guy at all but saying that support for Trump == support for white supremacy simply isn't true. If their issue is with white supremacy why not ban that specifically?

eesmith 7y ago
They apparently have banned open discussion of white supremacy, and listed support for the Trump administration as a specific example. I'm sure they'll come up with more, if needed. I disagree with your "simply isn't true." At best, it's "complicatedly isn't true." But I think it's really true. He's a white supremacist, surrounded by white supremacists, product of a country and culture based on white supremacy. Rather than write up a description, I'll vouch for: 1) https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/donald-trumps-ties-to-alt-right-white-supremacists-are-extensive.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/donald-trumps-ti... from 2017 listing some of his and his administration's connections to the broad category of white supremacy, including his birtherism. 2) https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/trump-embraces-white-supremacy/579745/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/trump-e... from early 2019 describes more connections, including "his attempts to expel undocumented immigrants who pose no threat to public safety, and their American family members; his elevation of an ostentatious partisan to the Supreme Court; his implementation of a policy of child abuse as a deterrent to illegal immigration; his abandonment of Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria; his Justice Department’s green-lighting of police abuses; his attempts to weaken the political power of minorities targeted by his policies; and other acts of state violence and disapproval against religious and ethnic minorities too numerous to name. ... all of them follow the underlying logic ... that extremism in pursuit of white power is no vice, and defending the rights of those who threaten that power is no virtue." (Similar points made at https://newrepublic.com/article/144390/trumps-white-supremacist-economic-agenda https://newrepublic.com/article/144390/trumps-white-supremac... ) Here's a question - what would Trump and the Trump administration need to do for you to think it supports white supremacy? Why do we have children in concentration camps, repeating the tragedies of the Japanese concentration camps of the 1940s and the Native American concentration camps?
ralfn 7y ago
That's not a mental leap. Thats just how far things have moved politically. White surpremacy is seen as 'extreme' and Trump is seen as 'center'. Truth it, in the US white surpremacy is not a fringe perspective. That's just the reality. The polarisation is because the political divide isn't about tax rates or nuanced trade-off between common good and personal liberty. The political divide is about human rights and rule of law. It's the type of divide that is not resolved by voting, but by civil war or threat of such. The end result is not an election but a constitution

eesmith 7y ago

They apparently have banned open discussion of white supremacy, and listed support for the Trump administration as a specific example. I'm sure they'll come up with more, if needed. I disagree with your "simply isn't true." At best, it's "complicatedly isn't true." But I think it's really true. He's a white supremacist, surrounded by white supremacists, product of a country and culture based on white supremacy. Rather than write up a description, I'll vouch for: 1) https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/donald-trumps-ties-to-alt-right-white-supremacists-are-extensive.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/donald-trumps-ti... from 2017 listing some of his and his administration's connections to the broad category of white supremacy, including his birtherism. 2) https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/trump-embraces-white-supremacy/579745/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/trump-e... from early 2019 describes more connections, including "his attempts to expel undocumented immigrants who pose no threat to public safety, and their American family members; his elevation of an ostentatious partisan to the Supreme Court; his implementation of a policy of child abuse as a deterrent to illegal immigration; his abandonment of Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria; his Justice Department’s green-lighting of police abuses; his attempts to weaken the political power of minorities targeted by his policies; and other acts of state violence and disapproval against religious and ethnic minorities too numerous to name. ... all of them follow the underlying logic ... that extremism in pursuit of white power is no vice, and defending the rights of those who threaten that power is no virtue." (Similar points made at https://newrepublic.com/article/144390/trumps-white-supremacist-economic-agenda https://newrepublic.com/article/144390/trumps-white-supremac... ) Here's a question - what would Trump and the Trump administration need to do for you to think it supports white supremacy? Why do we have children in concentration camps, repeating the tragedies of the Japanese concentration camps of the 1940s and the Native American concentration camps?

ralfn 7y ago

That's not a mental leap. Thats just how far things have moved politically. White surpremacy is seen as 'extreme' and Trump is seen as 'center'. Truth it, in the US white surpremacy is not a fringe perspective. That's just the reality. The polarisation is because the political divide isn't about tax rates or nuanced trade-off between common good and personal liberty. The political divide is about human rights and rule of law. It's the type of divide that is not resolved by voting, but by civil war or threat of such. The end result is not an election but a constitution