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Maybe that's exactly the point she was trying to make :-)

by mikk14 7y ago

michalu 7y ago
With 90% of modern art, the "point they're trying to make" is whatever is the most convenient at the occasion. For the artists themselves rarely know as modern art is as much a BS-industrial complex as the AI.
- minikites 7y ago
  Art is more complicated than that and your dismissive attitude misses the point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67EKAIY43kg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67EKAIY43kg
  - Chris2048 7y ago
    So, at one point the video says "The quality and character of his line work is astounding. The restrained use of color is exquisite." Do you believe the scribbles are "amazing scribbles"?
  - michalu 7y ago
    Art is not complicated at all. Art marketers and pseudo-artists like to make it complicated to keep the "contemporary art" scam alive and profitable. That's because real art, like anything (engineering, piano, sports) takes years and years of hard work to perfect the skill which gives the ability to translate your ideas into something beautiful and self-explanatory (when you don't need to be expert to "understand the meaning" as it is with masters like Michelangelo). A great example is when Henry Moore saw Michelangelo and started to cry and confessed the only reason he makes such statues is because he knows "he will never be able to create anything as beautiful as that" Perhaps he would if instead he worked on things that are hard. It's hilarious how modern art lives on creating documentaries, popularizing an "artist" then selling art for investment while fooling people by using shaming tactics like "you just don't understand art" or "that was not the point artist was trying to make" If the artist has to explain her work in words he should have chosen literature as a form of expression for clearly she failed using her current means to do so.
    - nathan_long 7y ago
      > A great example is when Henry Moore saw Michelangelo and started to cry and confessed the only reason he makes such statues is because he knows "he will never be able to create anything as beautiful as that" Interesting. Citation? I personally love this epic ownage: Normal Rockwell painted a Jackson Pollack inside of his own realistic painting. https://triviahappy.com/articles/norman-rockwell-made-fun-of-jackson-pollock-by-painting-the-same-way https://triviahappy.com/articles/norman-rockwell-made-fun-of...
      - michalu 7y ago
        >Citation The anecdote is from Moore's exhibition in Krakow, it was discussed there. I will get a precise source in 2 days and post it here.
      - michalu 7y ago
        In the film „Carving a reputation” (BBC, 1998) , it is said that when he saw the Medici Tombs (1524-31, in the Medici Chapel in Florence) during his travel scholarship when he was a student of sculpture at the Royal College of Art, – he didn’t want to look at Michelangelo’s work at first, but finally he admitted that those figures posess “a tremendous monumentality. (…) a grandeur of gesture and scale that for me is what great sculpture is” – wrote Moore in his diary . The nobility and grandeur of the Italian tradition was a humbling experience that threw Moore into a profound depression. To be a great sculptor, this is what he had to compete with. He later claimed the reason he's "inspired" by "sumerian" art is that "he feels greco-roman art is over-represented.
    - PhasmaFelis 7y ago
      There's a lot of bullshit around art in general; it's not limited to modern art. If we only cared about the quality of the work, then a perfect forgery of da Vinci's style would be valued exactly as much as an original da Vinci. I can't agree with the idea that art has to be technically difficult to be "real." If a simple, abstract sculpture gives me more joy than a portrait from a great master, that doesn't mean my understanding is defective. (Nor is yours if you disagree.) Meaning isn't limited to what the creator says it is, either. People are obsessed with nailing down a precision definition of "art," and it always turns out to be "the stuff I like, but not that crap you like."
- DonHopkins 7y ago
  How To Deconstruct Almost Anything My Postmodern Adventure by Chip Morningstar chip@netcom.com 5-July-1993 "Academics get paid for being clever, not for being right." - Donald Norman https://www.donhopkins.com/home/catalog/text/decon.html https://www.donhopkins.com/home/catalog/text/decon.html
atoav 7y ago
That is why I added the “(?)”, I wasn’t sure about it either :)

Maybe that's exactly the point she was trying to make :-)

by mikk14 7y ago

Maybe that's exactly the point she was trying to make :-)

With 90% of modern art, the "point they're trying to make" is whatever is the most convenient at the occasion. For the artists themselves rarely know as modern art is as much a BS-industrial complex as the AI.

minikites 7y ago
Art is more complicated than that and your dismissive attitude misses the point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67EKAIY43kg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67EKAIY43kg
- Chris2048 7y ago
  So, at one point the video says "The quality and character of his line work is astounding. The restrained use of color is exquisite." Do you believe the scribbles are "amazing scribbles"?
- michalu 7y ago
  Art is not complicated at all. Art marketers and pseudo-artists like to make it complicated to keep the "contemporary art" scam alive and profitable. That's because real art, like anything (engineering, piano, sports) takes years and years of hard work to perfect the skill which gives the ability to translate your ideas into something beautiful and self-explanatory (when you don't need to be expert to "understand the meaning" as it is with masters like Michelangelo). A great example is when Henry Moore saw Michelangelo and started to cry and confessed the only reason he makes such statues is because he knows "he will never be able to create anything as beautiful as that" Perhaps he would if instead he worked on things that are hard. It's hilarious how modern art lives on creating documentaries, popularizing an "artist" then selling art for investment while fooling people by using shaming tactics like "you just don't understand art" or "that was not the point artist was trying to make" If the artist has to explain her work in words he should have chosen literature as a form of expression for clearly she failed using her current means to do so.
  - nathan_long 7y ago
    > A great example is when Henry Moore saw Michelangelo and started to cry and confessed the only reason he makes such statues is because he knows "he will never be able to create anything as beautiful as that" Interesting. Citation? I personally love this epic ownage: Normal Rockwell painted a Jackson Pollack inside of his own realistic painting. https://triviahappy.com/articles/norman-rockwell-made-fun-of-jackson-pollock-by-painting-the-same-way https://triviahappy.com/articles/norman-rockwell-made-fun-of...
    - michalu 7y ago
      >Citation The anecdote is from Moore's exhibition in Krakow, it was discussed there. I will get a precise source in 2 days and post it here.
    - michalu 7y ago
      In the film „Carving a reputation” (BBC, 1998) , it is said that when he saw the Medici Tombs (1524-31, in the Medici Chapel in Florence) during his travel scholarship when he was a student of sculpture at the Royal College of Art, – he didn’t want to look at Michelangelo’s work at first, but finally he admitted that those figures posess “a tremendous monumentality. (…) a grandeur of gesture and scale that for me is what great sculpture is” – wrote Moore in his diary . The nobility and grandeur of the Italian tradition was a humbling experience that threw Moore into a profound depression. To be a great sculptor, this is what he had to compete with. He later claimed the reason he's "inspired" by "sumerian" art is that "he feels greco-roman art is over-represented.
  - PhasmaFelis 7y ago
    There's a lot of bullshit around art in general; it's not limited to modern art. If we only cared about the quality of the work, then a perfect forgery of da Vinci's style would be valued exactly as much as an original da Vinci. I can't agree with the idea that art has to be technically difficult to be "real." If a simple, abstract sculpture gives me more joy than a portrait from a great master, that doesn't mean my understanding is defective. (Nor is yours if you disagree.) Meaning isn't limited to what the creator says it is, either. People are obsessed with nailing down a precision definition of "art," and it always turns out to be "the stuff I like, but not that crap you like."
DonHopkins 7y ago
How To Deconstruct Almost Anything My Postmodern Adventure by Chip Morningstar chip@netcom.com 5-July-1993 "Academics get paid for being clever, not for being right." - Donald Norman https://www.donhopkins.com/home/catalog/text/decon.html https://www.donhopkins.com/home/catalog/text/decon.html

atoav 7y ago

That is why I added the “(?)”, I wasn’t sure about it either :)