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I'm doing a bit of hiring at the moment. It's hard to find a single CV which doesn't have some kind of machine learning slant. As much as I think there are plen

I'm doing a bit of hiring at the moment. It's hard to find a single CV which doesn't have some kind of machine learning slant. As much as I think there are plenty of advances in ML left to take, I doubt every graduate will step out into a good application for existing machine learning tools.

misterman0 7y ago
Just like not all astrophysicists reach Nobel prize level achievements not all machine-learning graduates will innovate in their field. But to help you out, in order to find people who are likely to innovate, find out if that is their goal. If it is not then you know not to hire them. But if that's their goal, maybe start some kind of "program" where you give these people a chance. 6 months. A year maybe. If the are close to something or if you're pleased with them even though they aren't really innovating, then give them a "tenure" so to speak. An evaluation process, it's very common here in Sweden. I mean how much money can you really loose in six months? You can kick that shithole straight out day one if that's your perogative. It's a good deal for both parties.
- VBprogrammer 7y ago
  Sorry if I wasn't clear, our problems are CRUD at modest scale. There is little room for the application of machine learning.
  - dspillett 7y ago
    > There is little room for the application of machine learning You see people trying to shoehorn ML into many such system though, and there is money in it, which is why people are chasing it to have it on their CVs. Like the noSQL hype of a some years ago it'll settle down and people will gravitate back more towards the right tool for the job (which will sometimes be ML based, but often not, just as "noSQL" is sometimes the right tool or right enough). ML will survive where it is the best tool for the job, or at least where it can be genuinely useful and not significantly sub-optimal. > our problems are CRUD at modest scale. I see some of our client base looking into ML and "Big Data", and I despair a little because they often fail badly at getting "little data" correct. It is actually part of the sales pitch for ML: let the AI filter out the crap in your inputs and give you something approximating a decent answer as output. They'd be much better served working on fixing the data sources or using more traditional cleansing methods, but that seems like harder work compared to the new magic some consultant is extolling. ML isn't a magic bullet, but it is currently being sold as one.
pts_ 7y ago
What are you hiring for if you don't mind?
glitchc 7y ago
Does your job description list machine learning as a requirement? If so, there's your problem. Maybe a chat with HR may be in order.
- DonHopkins 7y ago
  Maybe the problem is that HR is using machine learning to filter the resumes.
- VBprogrammer 7y ago
  Definitely not.

misterman0 7y ago

Just like not all astrophysicists reach Nobel prize level achievements not all machine-learning graduates will innovate in their field. But to help you out, in order to find people who are likely to innovate, find out if that is their goal. If it is not then you know not to hire them. But if that's their goal, maybe start some kind of "program" where you give these people a chance. 6 months. A year maybe. If the are close to something or if you're pleased with them even though they aren't really innovating, then give them a "tenure" so to speak. An evaluation process, it's very common here in Sweden. I mean how much money can you really loose in six months? You can kick that shithole straight out day one if that's your perogative. It's a good deal for both parties.

VBprogrammer 7y ago
Sorry if I wasn't clear, our problems are CRUD at modest scale. There is little room for the application of machine learning.
- dspillett 7y ago
  > There is little room for the application of machine learning You see people trying to shoehorn ML into many such system though, and there is money in it, which is why people are chasing it to have it on their CVs. Like the noSQL hype of a some years ago it'll settle down and people will gravitate back more towards the right tool for the job (which will sometimes be ML based, but often not, just as "noSQL" is sometimes the right tool or right enough). ML will survive where it is the best tool for the job, or at least where it can be genuinely useful and not significantly sub-optimal. > our problems are CRUD at modest scale. I see some of our client base looking into ML and "Big Data", and I despair a little because they often fail badly at getting "little data" correct. It is actually part of the sales pitch for ML: let the AI filter out the crap in your inputs and give you something approximating a decent answer as output. They'd be much better served working on fixing the data sources or using more traditional cleansing methods, but that seems like harder work compared to the new magic some consultant is extolling. ML isn't a magic bullet, but it is currently being sold as one.

pts_ 7y ago

What are you hiring for if you don't mind?

glitchc 7y ago

Does your job description list machine learning as a requirement? If so, there's your problem. Maybe a chat with HR may be in order.

DonHopkins 7y ago
Maybe the problem is that HR is using machine learning to filter the resumes.
VBprogrammer 7y ago
Definitely not.