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Please don't downvote (I saw someone downvote this), just because you disagree. Downvote people for being abusive, for being disingenuous or dishonest, or for b

Please don't downvote (I saw someone downvote this), just because you disagree. Downvote people for being abusive, for being disingenuous or dishonest, or for being lazy and adding noise (writing a 1-liner joke response) But if someone takes their time to write several paragraphs of point by point response, using proper grammar, and non-hostile or personal attacks, they should be rewarded, even if we don't like what they're saying.

CapricornNoble 7y ago
Since you are willing to have an honest conversation on the topic, I highly recommend Tim Pool's content on these issues. https://youtu.be/RrX_CnKFYlA https://youtu.be/RrX_CnKFYlA This particular video discusses how all of these individual issues (such as Jen Gennai's comments) point to a growing and worsening trend of the collapse of civil discourse in America, and where that could potentially lead us.
- cromwellian 7y ago
  The collapse has been happening for a long time as media fractured. And as Andrew Yang points out, the collapse of the middle class from automation has largely lead to a mindset of scarcity, of us vs them, that made it easy for political forces to manipulate people into scapegoating each other and hyperbolizing others. No one who is living pay check to pay check wants to think about climate change or doing anything which doesn’t immediately benefit their economic situation in some quick fix way. Our political system lacks any generosity now as well. Losers don’t accept their loss and do their jobs according to procedure. Mitch McConnell for example, or the Oregon example of denying a quorum instead of just voting no. The general strategy of just not allowing government to function if you know you’re going to lose is a bad precedent.
  - CapricornNoble 7y ago
    "The general strategy of just not allowing government to function if you know you’re going to lose is a bad precedent." Agreed. I really think the two-party system will lead to long-term strategic paralysis of the US government. I'd say it's already undermining our ability to implement infrastructure re-capitalization programs or maintain consistent international relations/foreign policy with anyone other than the UK, Japan, Saudi Arabia, and Israel (the last two spend a TON of money bribing our politicians from both parties). If we get into a shooting war with China this century (which I fully expect), only then will we see the folly of these bi-partisan obstructionist tactics.

CapricornNoble 7y ago

Since you are willing to have an honest conversation on the topic, I highly recommend Tim Pool's content on these issues. https://youtu.be/RrX_CnKFYlA https://youtu.be/RrX_CnKFYlA This particular video discusses how all of these individual issues (such as Jen Gennai's comments) point to a growing and worsening trend of the collapse of civil discourse in America, and where that could potentially lead us.

cromwellian 7y ago
The collapse has been happening for a long time as media fractured. And as Andrew Yang points out, the collapse of the middle class from automation has largely lead to a mindset of scarcity, of us vs them, that made it easy for political forces to manipulate people into scapegoating each other and hyperbolizing others. No one who is living pay check to pay check wants to think about climate change or doing anything which doesn’t immediately benefit their economic situation in some quick fix way. Our political system lacks any generosity now as well. Losers don’t accept their loss and do their jobs according to procedure. Mitch McConnell for example, or the Oregon example of denying a quorum instead of just voting no. The general strategy of just not allowing government to function if you know you’re going to lose is a bad precedent.
- CapricornNoble 7y ago
  "The general strategy of just not allowing government to function if you know you’re going to lose is a bad precedent." Agreed. I really think the two-party system will lead to long-term strategic paralysis of the US government. I'd say it's already undermining our ability to implement infrastructure re-capitalization programs or maintain consistent international relations/foreign policy with anyone other than the UK, Japan, Saudi Arabia, and Israel (the last two spend a TON of money bribing our politicians from both parties). If we get into a shooting war with China this century (which I fully expect), only then will we see the folly of these bi-partisan obstructionist tactics.