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> Now, we have a choice between serious lifestyle discomfort in the short term or famine and death in the long term. I expect we'll opt for our grandchildren's

> Now, we have a choice between serious lifestyle discomfort in the short term or famine and death in the long term. I expect we'll opt for our grandchildren's generation to starve It's statements like this, which are completely absurd, which are hindering our progress of making meaningful change. Please stop using armegeddon like language to describe climate change. It doesn't help if you sound like a crazed cultist.

crispinb 7y ago
> It's statements like this, which are completely absurd, which are hindering our progress of making meaningful change. Only the degree of certainty of the statement is exaggerated. The content is well within any reasonable scenario-planning approach. Near-term catastrophe may not be the most likely outcome, but on all accounts it is likely enough to be the most genuinely alarming threat we've yet faced. You may not like the tone, but surely you can muster the courage to set aside your personal taste with regard to something so important?
- derp_dee_derp 7y ago
  > You may not like the tone, but surely you can muster the courage to set aside your personal taste with regard to something so important? You sound exactly like a Jehovah's witness or a Mormon missionary.
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  - dang 7y ago
    Yikes, this and your previous comment are bannable offences on HN. Would you mind reviewing the site guidelines, and sticking to the spirit of this site when posting here? We're hoping for a bit better than internet median: thoughtful, substantive comments, basically. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
sachdevap 7y ago
I heavily disagree with your rather mild assessment of climate change. As an example, I suggest you look at the drought in India in 2019 [0], its effects on South Africa [1], and its role in the Syrian crisis. [2] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/12/indian-villages-lie-empty-as-drought-forces-thousands-to-flee https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/12/indian-village... [1] https://www.finglobal.com/2019/05/09/climate-change-in-south-africa/ https://www.finglobal.com/2019/05/09/climate-change-in-south... [2] https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/03/150302-syria-war-climate-change-drought/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/03/150302-syri...
jwr 7y ago
We tiptoed around these issues for years, using names like "global warming" and "climate change". It's time we started using the right names: we are in a crisis and we have an impending catastrophe.

crispinb 7y ago

> It's statements like this, which are completely absurd, which are hindering our progress of making meaningful change. Only the degree of certainty of the statement is exaggerated. The content is well within any reasonable scenario-planning approach. Near-term catastrophe may not be the most likely outcome, but on all accounts it is likely enough to be the most genuinely alarming threat we've yet faced. You may not like the tone, but surely you can muster the courage to set aside your personal taste with regard to something so important?

derp_dee_derp 7y ago
> You may not like the tone, but surely you can muster the courage to set aside your personal taste with regard to something so important? You sound exactly like a Jehovah's witness or a Mormon missionary.
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- dang 7y ago
  Yikes, this and your previous comment are bannable offences on HN. Would you mind reviewing the site guidelines, and sticking to the spirit of this site when posting here? We're hoping for a bit better than internet median: thoughtful, substantive comments, basically. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

sachdevap 7y ago

I heavily disagree with your rather mild assessment of climate change. As an example, I suggest you look at the drought in India in 2019 [0], its effects on South Africa [1], and its role in the Syrian crisis. [2] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/12/indian-villages-lie-empty-as-drought-forces-thousands-to-flee https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/12/indian-village... [1] https://www.finglobal.com/2019/05/09/climate-change-in-south-africa/ https://www.finglobal.com/2019/05/09/climate-change-in-south... [2] https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/03/150302-syria-war-climate-change-drought/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/03/150302-syri...

jwr 7y ago

We tiptoed around these issues for years, using names like "global warming" and "climate change". It's time we started using the right names: we are in a crisis and we have an impending catastrophe.