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Can they get a lawsuit?. Has Verizon broken their SLA?. Is there a manual to mitigate all the edge cases? What about being aware internally this had to be impro

by clvx 7y ago

Can they get a lawsuit?. Has Verizon broken their SLA?. Is there a manual to mitigate all the edge cases? What about being aware internally this had to be improved but it was delayed due bureaucracy.

dentemple 7y ago
Anybody can sue. And it'll still cost Verizon real money to fight those suits, even if they truly don't have liability.
mjevans 7y ago
Torturous influence or something maybe?
MrStonedOne 7y ago
>edge cases? This is not an edge case, allowing downstream networks to broadcast routes for networks they do not own is a very well known security and operational issue with operating an ISP. Massive parts of the internet went down in the 90s to teach us this lesson. Likewise, bureaucracy does not excuse not fixing an issue thats existed since the 90s, and not deploying any 1 of 3 mitigation tricks (let alone all 3). Negligence causing damage from lost sales/traffic is sue-able. The case would basically resolve around rather or not V had an obligation to prevent this from happening, and rather or not they were grossly negligent in that obligation. In my view the answer is yes.
- henryfjordan 7y ago
  Who has standing though? A Verizon customer might say "my internet was down" but there is 100% a clause in their contract about outages and SLAs. Any company that lost sales likely doesn't have a contract with them, so what are they going to sue for? "Verizon didn't carry my 1s and 0s for free this morning"? Person A on the freeway having an accident and causing Person B to sit in traffic and miss their sales meeting isn't liable for that... Maybe their peers (other telcos) have more standing because they couldn't deliver to their customers as a result but they of course all have a clause in their contracts about outages and SLAs that means ultimately they lost no money so there are no damages. And this is why we need government regulation, either to break up the Telcos or nationalize them

by clvx 7y ago

Can they get a lawsuit?. Has Verizon broken their SLA?. Is there a manual to mitigate all the edge cases? What about being aware internally this had to be improved but it was delayed due bureaucracy.

dentemple 7y ago

Anybody can sue. And it'll still cost Verizon real money to fight those suits, even if they truly don't have liability.

mjevans 7y ago

Torturous influence or something maybe?

MrStonedOne 7y ago

>edge cases? This is not an edge case, allowing downstream networks to broadcast routes for networks they do not own is a very well known security and operational issue with operating an ISP. Massive parts of the internet went down in the 90s to teach us this lesson. Likewise, bureaucracy does not excuse not fixing an issue thats existed since the 90s, and not deploying any 1 of 3 mitigation tricks (let alone all 3). Negligence causing damage from lost sales/traffic is sue-able. The case would basically resolve around rather or not V had an obligation to prevent this from happening, and rather or not they were grossly negligent in that obligation. In my view the answer is yes.

henryfjordan 7y ago
Who has standing though? A Verizon customer might say "my internet was down" but there is 100% a clause in their contract about outages and SLAs. Any company that lost sales likely doesn't have a contract with them, so what are they going to sue for? "Verizon didn't carry my 1s and 0s for free this morning"? Person A on the freeway having an accident and causing Person B to sit in traffic and miss their sales meeting isn't liable for that... Maybe their peers (other telcos) have more standing because they couldn't deliver to their customers as a result but they of course all have a clause in their contracts about outages and SLAs that means ultimately they lost no money so there are no damages. And this is why we need government regulation, either to break up the Telcos or nationalize them