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Counterpoint: there's no real reason to visit Mississippi for most people most of the time, and saying "I'm not going to go out of my way to do something I neve

by moate 7y ago

Counterpoint: there's no real reason to visit Mississippi for most people most of the time, and saying "I'm not going to go out of my way to do something I never intended on doing in the first place because political reasons" feels like a political statement. Consider it an extension of social media activists (e.g. "Repost if you think X should be illegal!!!)

malvosenior 7y ago
Is that really a counterpoint though? My point is that they're classifying an entire state of people for political reasons and thus are just as bad as the example the OP gave of the right assuming all people on the left want open borders. They are both painting with overly broad brushes.
- moate 7y ago
  Sure. I mean, that's the whole point of the original article (I think? I don't really get it, but I'm also a fan of sociology and good statistics, so I was never going to like this crap). "People think that people who aren't like them aren't like them in more ways than they actually are!" is...something? Probably not "bad" exactly, but not good either? And I still don't get how this is a "broad brush"? People don't want to go on vacations to challenge their ideals. They're usually going somewhere to relax or visit something they find interesting. No offense to the state of Mississippi, but it's not known for being a tourist destination. I'm not generally a fan of cancel culture, and the abortion legislation their government passed moved the needle from "0% chance I'll ever visit" to "0% chance I'll ever visit" but I don't think someone is "misinterpreting" something when they decide not to visit somewhere they likely had no intention of visiting before new information was provided to them that opposed their worldview. TL;dr- This anecdote doesn't help demonstrate anything meaningful to me. In this way, it is very much like the article. Language is very nuanced and often because we don't have infinite time we take linguistic shortcuts that can eliminate some clarity to our meaning/intention. That's all this really seems like.
  - malvosenior 7y ago
    You need to read my response in the context of replying to the parent. They stated that the right is uniquely bad at broadly painting the views of the left. I gave an example of the left doing the same thing.

by moate 7y ago

malvosenior 7y ago

Is that really a counterpoint though? My point is that they're classifying an entire state of people for political reasons and thus are just as bad as the example the OP gave of the right assuming all people on the left want open borders. They are both painting with overly broad brushes.

moate 7y ago
Sure. I mean, that's the whole point of the original article (I think? I don't really get it, but I'm also a fan of sociology and good statistics, so I was never going to like this crap). "People think that people who aren't like them aren't like them in more ways than they actually are!" is...something? Probably not "bad" exactly, but not good either? And I still don't get how this is a "broad brush"? People don't want to go on vacations to challenge their ideals. They're usually going somewhere to relax or visit something they find interesting. No offense to the state of Mississippi, but it's not known for being a tourist destination. I'm not generally a fan of cancel culture, and the abortion legislation their government passed moved the needle from "0% chance I'll ever visit" to "0% chance I'll ever visit" but I don't think someone is "misinterpreting" something when they decide not to visit somewhere they likely had no intention of visiting before new information was provided to them that opposed their worldview. TL;dr- This anecdote doesn't help demonstrate anything meaningful to me. In this way, it is very much like the article. Language is very nuanced and often because we don't have infinite time we take linguistic shortcuts that can eliminate some clarity to our meaning/intention. That's all this really seems like.
- malvosenior 7y ago
  You need to read my response in the context of replying to the parent. They stated that the right is uniquely bad at broadly painting the views of the left. I gave an example of the left doing the same thing.