4 ms·

Thanks for mentioning this. This has been the norm for at least 15-20 years. It wasn't until I was in college (early 2000s) that I realized popular and happy pe

Thanks for mentioning this. This has been the norm for at least 15-20 years. It wasn't until I was in college (early 2000s) that I realized popular and happy people weren't inherently bad. Where did I get the idea that popular people were malevolent? And where did I get the idea suffering gave me validity? Who knows. What I do know is that this misconception was a big waste of time.

mooseburger 7y ago
> Where did I get the idea that popular people were malevolent? They were the primary bullies growing up? That's where I got the idea, at least. And suffering seems like a more authentic emotion than happiness, as there are all sorts of heavy social incentives to constantly project happiness. There's a lot more people out there faking happiness, than there are faking suffering.
throwaway876123 7y ago
> Where did I get the idea that popular people were malevolent? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2%80%93slave_morality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2%80%93slave_morality
- everdrive 7y ago
  Thanks, I've seen this idea espoused, but didn't realize it had a formal name, or originated with Nietzsche. I'll read further.
  - pwodhouse 7y ago
    It's my older. Aesop published the gable of Sour Grapes.
- chongli 7y ago
  The general concept is much older than even Nietzsche. I would put it at least as far back as the account of Thrasymachus in Plato's Republic[1], a critique of Socrates' concept of justice: I proclaim that justice is nothing else than the interest of the stronger [1] https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1497/1497-h/1497-h.htm https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1497/1497-h/1497-h.htm
scruple 7y ago
Some grunge and altrock, no doubt marketed / targeted directly at the youth of the time, pushed those sorts of tropes. The songs aren't bad, perse, in retrospect, but I'm able to view them very differently today than how I felt about them as a youth.
- cbm-vic-20 7y ago
  Coke even made us our own soft drink! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ok_Soda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ok_Soda

mooseburger 7y ago

> Where did I get the idea that popular people were malevolent? They were the primary bullies growing up? That's where I got the idea, at least. And suffering seems like a more authentic emotion than happiness, as there are all sorts of heavy social incentives to constantly project happiness. There's a lot more people out there faking happiness, than there are faking suffering.

throwaway876123 7y ago

> Where did I get the idea that popular people were malevolent? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2%80%93slave_morality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2%80%93slave_morality

everdrive 7y ago
Thanks, I've seen this idea espoused, but didn't realize it had a formal name, or originated with Nietzsche. I'll read further.
- pwodhouse 7y ago
  It's my older. Aesop published the gable of Sour Grapes.
chongli 7y ago
The general concept is much older than even Nietzsche. I would put it at least as far back as the account of Thrasymachus in Plato's Republic[1], a critique of Socrates' concept of justice: I proclaim that justice is nothing else than the interest of the stronger [1] https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1497/1497-h/1497-h.htm https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1497/1497-h/1497-h.htm

scruple 7y ago

Some grunge and altrock, no doubt marketed / targeted directly at the youth of the time, pushed those sorts of tropes. The songs aren't bad, perse, in retrospect, but I'm able to view them very differently today than how I felt about them as a youth.

cbm-vic-20 7y ago
Coke even made us our own soft drink! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ok_Soda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ok_Soda