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Two thoughts... First, compare practical law impacts if you look elsewhere. For example, in the US the gov can get email from providers that's more than 180 da
by mfer 7y ago
Two thoughts...
First, compare practical law impacts if you look elsewhere. For example, in the US the gov can get email from providers that's more than 180 days old without a warrant.
Second, Fastmail like Google, Microsoft, and most others has access to your email. They comply with court orders for email like other providers. Fastmail has noted the gov doesn't need a backdoor to get to email. Same with other companies in other countries.
- unicornfinder 7y agoIndeed. Not to mention, even if your own email isn't compromised, if you send email to someone else who's is, it's irrelevant. Email shouldn't be used for things that are particularly private to begin with.
- t0astbread 7y agoThen what else should?
- enriquto 7y ago> Email shouldn't be used for things that are particularly private to begin with. To begin with, governments should not be able to access your non-particularly private stuff without an explicit court order.
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago> in the US the gov can get email from providers that's more than 180 days old without a warrant With a warrant signed by a judge. Also, if the keys are on your device the service has nothing to turn over. The court can't force the provider to engineer in a backdoor. None of those checks or limitations apply in Australia.
- Forbo 7y agoIn the US, FISA courts can authorize technical assistance orders to force compliance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protect_America_Act_of_2007#3._Requirement_to_assist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protect_America_Act_of_2007#3....
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- extra88 7y agoEven if they don't technically call it a warrant the principle is the same, the executive branch doesn't have the authority by itself, they must get authorization from the judicial branch. Most people don't include national security investigations in their threat model. The more general risk is a court allowing the executive to cast a broad net to collect information rather than accounts known to belong to targeted, named individuals or groups.
- mfer 7y agoIn the US email over 180 days old can be retrieved with a supeana. No warrant out judge required. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stored_Communications_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stored_Communications_Act
- JumpCrisscross 7y agoIf it isn’t encrypted. If the server doesn’t have the keys, not even a signed warrant can compel the re-engineering of the product.
- mfer 7y agoGmail, Office 365, and almost all the rest have the keys. Switching from Fastmail to a majority of mail providers doesn't provide added security from governments. That was the point of this thread.