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Conservatism has consistently been on the wrong side of every social issue in history, so I feel safe calling this 'theory' out as nothing more than teenage ang

Conservatism has consistently been on the wrong side of every social issue in history, so I feel safe calling this 'theory' out as nothing more than teenage angst at a world they feel has left them behind.

0815test 7y ago
> Conservatism has consistently been on the wrong side of every social issue in history Given that Progressivism was very much on the side of things like Soviet Russia, Maoist China and Pol Pot's Cambodia, as well as all sorts of "fun" stuff like racist eugenics in the U.S., I'll gladly take the "consistent" losses of conservatism over the know-it-all attitude of progressives, thanks you very much.
- ionised 7y ago
  What's the 'pinko-commie' version of Godwin's law? 'Cos you just triggered it. Time for a new list of soundbites to regurgitate I think. There was nothing socially progressive about those communist dictatorships. They banned free religion and free expression. That's literally the opposite of progressive. And eugenics? Mate, that's a libertarian adolescent power fantasy haha. Nothing progressive about it. All you've done here is show me that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. > I'll gladly take the "consistent" losses of conservatism over the know-it-all attitude of progressives, thanks you very much. So you're opposed to the abolition of slavery, universal suffrage and equal treatment for women, minorities and non-heterosexuals and the legalisation of drugs proven less harmful than alcohol. To name a few. Conservatives and traditionalists like yourself fought against all those issues and had to suck it up eventually. They are just a few examples of the entire list of shit throughout history you and your ilk got wrong. It's nice that you can freely and publicly celebrate your ignorance and hatred of these vulnerable groups and their interests publicly though. It's almost...progressive that you can do that, no? Either way fighting against social change is pissing against the wind. You can't win.
  - 0815test 7y ago
    > All you've done here is show me that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Well, apparently you aren't familiar with the fact that progressives used to be very much in favor of eugenics (in the early 20th-c.), that progressive/leftist intellectuals and academics did support the Soviet system, that Maoist China was a huge influence on radical youth movements of the 1970s and 1980s that largely define what we think of as "progressive" today, that Pol Pot literally was introduced to extreme leftist politics by those same radical movements in the Paris of his day, etc. etc. "Conservatives and traditionalists fight against social change and have to suck it up eventually" - is that supposed to be a problem? It's literally the definition of what conservatism is all about! Sure, some of them might have opposed abolitionism and universal suffrage, for a time (Though many didn't, least of all in a practical sense. Even Carlyle, as rabid as he was from a "modern" POV, understood that slavery was very much on its way out). But so what - conservatives also fought Mao and Pol Pot, and in this latter sense they were far more important!
- dang 7y ago
  Ideological flamewar will get you banned here. We had to ask you not to do this just recently. If you don't want to be banned on HN, please stop doing this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 7y ago
This is quite unacceptable on HN. It looks like you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle for quite a long time. We've asked you repeatedly to stop, but you've repeatedly continued. You've broken the site guidelines in many other ways too. All of this would justify banning you, but I don't think you're doing it on purpose, so I'm not going to ban you right now. Would you please take the spirit of this site more to heart, though, and stop doing these things? Because we'll have no choice but to ban you unless you do. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- ionised 7y ago
  You're right, and I apologise. I can get carried away sometimes. I'll tone down the charged rhetoric and try to keep it civil in future.
  - dang 7y ago
    Appreciated!

0815test 7y ago

> Conservatism has consistently been on the wrong side of every social issue in history Given that Progressivism was very much on the side of things like Soviet Russia, Maoist China and Pol Pot's Cambodia, as well as all sorts of "fun" stuff like racist eugenics in the U.S., I'll gladly take the "consistent" losses of conservatism over the know-it-all attitude of progressives, thanks you very much.

ionised 7y ago
What's the 'pinko-commie' version of Godwin's law? 'Cos you just triggered it. Time for a new list of soundbites to regurgitate I think. There was nothing socially progressive about those communist dictatorships. They banned free religion and free expression. That's literally the opposite of progressive. And eugenics? Mate, that's a libertarian adolescent power fantasy haha. Nothing progressive about it. All you've done here is show me that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. > I'll gladly take the "consistent" losses of conservatism over the know-it-all attitude of progressives, thanks you very much. So you're opposed to the abolition of slavery, universal suffrage and equal treatment for women, minorities and non-heterosexuals and the legalisation of drugs proven less harmful than alcohol. To name a few. Conservatives and traditionalists like yourself fought against all those issues and had to suck it up eventually. They are just a few examples of the entire list of shit throughout history you and your ilk got wrong. It's nice that you can freely and publicly celebrate your ignorance and hatred of these vulnerable groups and their interests publicly though. It's almost...progressive that you can do that, no? Either way fighting against social change is pissing against the wind. You can't win.
- 0815test 7y ago
  > All you've done here is show me that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Well, apparently you aren't familiar with the fact that progressives used to be very much in favor of eugenics (in the early 20th-c.), that progressive/leftist intellectuals and academics did support the Soviet system, that Maoist China was a huge influence on radical youth movements of the 1970s and 1980s that largely define what we think of as "progressive" today, that Pol Pot literally was introduced to extreme leftist politics by those same radical movements in the Paris of his day, etc. etc. "Conservatives and traditionalists fight against social change and have to suck it up eventually" - is that supposed to be a problem? It's literally the definition of what conservatism is all about! Sure, some of them might have opposed abolitionism and universal suffrage, for a time (Though many didn't, least of all in a practical sense. Even Carlyle, as rabid as he was from a "modern" POV, understood that slavery was very much on its way out). But so what - conservatives also fought Mao and Pol Pot, and in this latter sense they were far more important!
dang 7y ago
Ideological flamewar will get you banned here. We had to ask you not to do this just recently. If you don't want to be banned on HN, please stop doing this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dang 7y ago

This is quite unacceptable on HN. It looks like you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle for quite a long time. We've asked you repeatedly to stop, but you've repeatedly continued. You've broken the site guidelines in many other ways too. All of this would justify banning you, but I don't think you're doing it on purpose, so I'm not going to ban you right now. Would you please take the spirit of this site more to heart, though, and stop doing these things? Because we'll have no choice but to ban you unless you do. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

ionised 7y ago
You're right, and I apologise. I can get carried away sometimes. I'll tone down the charged rhetoric and try to keep it civil in future.
- dang 7y ago
  Appreciated!