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That's the story of the millennials right now. Too many people then before and nobody building houses for them. I think most non-millenials know of it and there

by sysbin 7y ago

That's the story of the millennials right now. Too many people then before and nobody building houses for them. I think most non-millenials know of it and there won't be any changes until there is an offset of the generation controlling policy around home building.

Consultant32452 7y ago
It never occurred to me that people expect new houses to be built for young people trying to get their first home. When I think of a young person buying their first home, I think of buying a 20+ year old home. New homes are for relatively wealthy people, usually people upgrading for the second or third time.
- entropea 7y ago
  Race to the bottom. This is what millennial are always told. "Well you just need a BEGINNER job, it'll get better". But, there are enough homes for everyone in the country and 20-30 year old homes are fine.
- AlexandrB 7y ago
  Many of the 20+ year old homes in the metro Toronto area have been demolished to make way for either condos or mansions. But even if they weren't, the property values are so high that these homes would still be unaffordable. So, yes, new starter homes have to be built for there to be any on the market at a "starter home" price.
  - Consultant32452 7y ago
    I feel like there's a cycle starting here that looks something like this: "I can't afford to do the thing I want to do most." "Then do something else." If jobs in Toronto aren't paying enough to live there, move. Find a job making less money in a place where you can actually afford to live. I understand you may want the lifestyle afforded by being in a big city, but you're not owed that experience.
- gizmo686 7y ago
  It is not so much new homes for young people, as increasing housing stock. It does not matter if the new homes are bought by the young, or if they are bought by existing homeowners; who then sell their old house. Either way the effect is an additional house on the market.
  - Consultant32452 7y ago
    I have such a different perspective on this. Based on the zoning policies of the people in places like San Francisco, they are sending a clear signal they don't want me there. They aren't building sufficient housing such that someone like me could afford to live there. So I just don't. If I accept a job there that doesn't cover the rent, that's my fault. The answer is to flee these places, move on to greener pastures, these are barren.
- scruple 7y ago
  My second home was new development precisely because it was "easy" to lock in. I hate it. I want to live in an older home. But, when I was on the market for a place in a new area the older homes were going to cash buyers who were paying over the asking price. With new development, you put down a "small" (in terms of total costs) down payment and then get your loan approved. There's no real competition to speak of.
ssully 7y ago
As a recent home buying millennial in the Chicago-land area, this article [1] is pretty accurate. Basically it's a mix between boomers not selling, and millennial's not wanting what they are selling (because what they are selling is shit). When we bought our home, we were looking at old (built in 1940's) starter homes in the 200k to 250k range and it was a nightmare. Anything that was great was out of our price range, and anything decent to 'ok' would be sold in the first 24 hours. Most of the stuff that wasn't selling was just straight garbage - stuff that would require a lot of work and money (50k minimum) to get moved into the 'decent' category. There are plenty of new houses being built, but you have to go an hour or an hour and half outside the city. I have a family member and friend who went this route and they love it, but that obviously leads to long commutes and other downsides. [1]: https://www.chicagotribune.com/real-estate/ct-re-millennial-baby-boomer-housing-shortage-20190623-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/real-estate/ct-re-millennial-...

by sysbin 7y ago

Consultant32452 7y ago

It never occurred to me that people expect new houses to be built for young people trying to get their first home. When I think of a young person buying their first home, I think of buying a 20+ year old home. New homes are for relatively wealthy people, usually people upgrading for the second or third time.

entropea 7y ago
Race to the bottom. This is what millennial are always told. "Well you just need a BEGINNER job, it'll get better". But, there are enough homes for everyone in the country and 20-30 year old homes are fine.
AlexandrB 7y ago
Many of the 20+ year old homes in the metro Toronto area have been demolished to make way for either condos or mansions. But even if they weren't, the property values are so high that these homes would still be unaffordable. So, yes, new starter homes have to be built for there to be any on the market at a "starter home" price.
- Consultant32452 7y ago
  I feel like there's a cycle starting here that looks something like this: "I can't afford to do the thing I want to do most." "Then do something else." If jobs in Toronto aren't paying enough to live there, move. Find a job making less money in a place where you can actually afford to live. I understand you may want the lifestyle afforded by being in a big city, but you're not owed that experience.
gizmo686 7y ago
It is not so much new homes for young people, as increasing housing stock. It does not matter if the new homes are bought by the young, or if they are bought by existing homeowners; who then sell their old house. Either way the effect is an additional house on the market.
- Consultant32452 7y ago
  I have such a different perspective on this. Based on the zoning policies of the people in places like San Francisco, they are sending a clear signal they don't want me there. They aren't building sufficient housing such that someone like me could afford to live there. So I just don't. If I accept a job there that doesn't cover the rent, that's my fault. The answer is to flee these places, move on to greener pastures, these are barren.
scruple 7y ago
My second home was new development precisely because it was "easy" to lock in. I hate it. I want to live in an older home. But, when I was on the market for a place in a new area the older homes were going to cash buyers who were paying over the asking price. With new development, you put down a "small" (in terms of total costs) down payment and then get your loan approved. There's no real competition to speak of.

ssully 7y ago

As a recent home buying millennial in the Chicago-land area, this article [1] is pretty accurate. Basically it's a mix between boomers not selling, and millennial's not wanting what they are selling (because what they are selling is shit). When we bought our home, we were looking at old (built in 1940's) starter homes in the 200k to 250k range and it was a nightmare. Anything that was great was out of our price range, and anything decent to 'ok' would be sold in the first 24 hours. Most of the stuff that wasn't selling was just straight garbage - stuff that would require a lot of work and money (50k minimum) to get moved into the 'decent' category. There are plenty of new houses being built, but you have to go an hour or an hour and half outside the city. I have a family member and friend who went this route and they love it, but that obviously leads to long commutes and other downsides. [1]: https://www.chicagotribune.com/real-estate/ct-re-millennial-baby-boomer-housing-shortage-20190623-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/real-estate/ct-re-millennial-...