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I'm talking about real-world. If you actually go to the places on the map, half the time the place doesn't exist, or can't find it, or it's closed. That can't h
by Lendal 7y ago
I'm talking about real-world. If you actually go to the places on the map, half the time the place doesn't exist, or can't find it, or it's closed. That can't happen when you're down to your last 10 miles of battery range. Tesla's network is dependable and real, and there is accountability when something goes wrong. You know who to blame and who to call. If you're in a Jaguar I-pace or Audi E-tron, you're depending on third-party. There is no accountability. It doesn't give you a warm fuzzy feeling that you're not gonna be stranded in the middle of nowhere with your very expensive doorstop.
I'm sorry this is making me sound like a Tesla fan but I'm really not. It's just the current state of the world. Tesla showed these carmakers the way to go, and instead they decided to go the wrong way and put the burden on us the consumers. That stinks in my opinion and I'm just mad about it.
- bryanlarsen 7y agoThe Electrify America network looks very similar to the Tesla one. Let's see how well it works after they spend the $2B they got from the Volkswagen settlement. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/05/inside-electrify-americas-plan-to-simplify-electric-car-charging/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/05/inside-electrify-americ...
- Klathmon 7y agoIt may look similar at a glance, but they're quite a ways behind in practice. Tesla has over 1500 charger stations (and 13,000 stalls) in north america right now, Electrify america is planning 500 stations (2,000 stalls) by the end of 2019. If you take a look at tesla's map they not only have significantly more coverage, but they have a lot more density around cities where from what I can see EA has just a couple stations. Not to mention that EA seems to only have a few stalls at each location, compared to 6+ in most places for the tesla superchargers that i've personally seen. I'm all for more chargers, and I'm excited that EA is happening, but Tesla is pretty much unparalleled right now when it comes to charging infrastructure, by quite a large margin. https://www.tesla.com/supercharger https://www.tesla.com/supercharger
- bryanlarsen 7y agoEnd of 2019 is only phase 2 of 4, and significantly less than half of the money spent.
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- clouddrover 7y ago> Electrify america is planning 500 stations (2,000 stalls) by the end of 2019 And roaming agreements with other networks, such as ChargePoint: https://cleantechnica.com/2019/06/11/electrify-america-chargepoint-enter-into-roaming-agreement/ https://cleantechnica.com/2019/06/11/electrify-america-charg...
- Klathmon 7y agoThat's actually pretty awesome, but the ChargePoint chargers are only "Level 2". They're great for charging where you've stopped for a few hours or more, but it would be a nightmare to try and do any kind of road trip with them at any time except overnight. Tesla has what they call "Destination chargers" which are a similar speed/level, and I don't know of any counts of them off the top of my head, but they probably outnumber the Superchargers by 3-to-1 (as a complete guess based on how many show up around me on the map). If we're comparing DC fast charging to DC fast charging, neither of those really count, and if you're on a road trip, neither Destination chargers nor chargepoint chargers are a realistic option unless you are stopping for several hours.
- clouddrover 7y ago> the ChargePoint chargers are only "Level 2" No, they do fast chargers as well: https://www.chargepoint.com/products/dc-fast/ https://www.chargepoint.com/products/dc-fast/ https://www.chargepoint.com/products/network/ https://www.chargepoint.com/products/network/
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