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> DuckDuckgo is a minor player, but microsoft's Bing isn't. DuckduckGo, Qwant, and Bing are all the same player. DDG and Qwant just pull Bing results. Bing i
by loudtieblahblah 7y ago
> DuckDuckgo is a minor player, but microsoft's Bing isn't.
DuckduckGo, Qwant, and Bing are all the same player.
DDG and Qwant just pull Bing results.
Bing is the only real competitor to Google.
>or search.
Erm. I think it's absolutely there on search. The existence of competitors doesn't negate monopoly status.
And the accusation can be legitimately claimed, that they use their monopoly status in one market (search) as leverage to give other services in different markets a leg up over the competition.
MS can't leverage Bing for the same - no matter how integrated Bing might be into other products.
If Google tells people to use AMP or be de-ranked, that's monopoly power. Flat out.
- mrweasel 7y ago>DDG and Qwant just pull Bing results. It there a source for this? People keep saying that DDG is just Bing, but I can't find any indication of that actually being true. Sure, they may be using Bing results, but they're seem to be mixed with result from other sources. The only post I ever found on the subject is Gabriel Weinberg saying that DDG is not just Bing.
- nvrspyx 7y agoDDG use a combination of Bing, Oath (previously Yahoo), and their own crawler [1], although I believe their own crawler is only used for “instant answers” and knowledge cards. Qwant has their own crawler and use Bing to help build their results, at least for now [2]. [1]: https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/ https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so... [2]: https://help.qwant.com/help/overview/how-does-qwant-index-the-web/ https://help.qwant.com/help/overview/how-does-qwant-index-th...
- mrweasel 7y agoSo neither "just pull Bing results."
- loudtieblahblah 7y agoIn practice - aside from instant answer functions, the amount from which Bing results and DDG vary, is so infinitely small as to be hardly noticeable.
- Analemma_ 7y agoYahoo just pulls Bing results.
- fooker 7y agoThe internet is huge. Flashcards/instant answers is a tiny rounding error compared to the information in the searchable web. DDG uses bing for the actual search and their own stuff for flashcards.
- Yizahi 7y agoYeas, for russian segment it is Yandex. There is basically 4 real search engines left in the world - Google, Bing, Yandex, Badoo.
- bduerst 7y agoDDG is deceptive about their sources. For example, DDG says they aggregate search results from Bing, Yahoo, and Yandex. Well, Yahoo switched to Bing search results about a decade ago, and Yandex is only really useful for Russian websites. So unless you're searching in Russian, you're getting Bing search results. DDG also claims they index hundreds of independent sources - by which it means individual web pages. By that logic, Google and Bing index billions of sources compared to DDG's four hundred or so, which end up being redundant to Bing's indexed results anyways.
- ricardo81 7y agoThe only activity I've seen from their crawler is fetching home pages to source the favicons of the site - which they display next to results. They don't appear to crawl the web to index it.