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If there’s no escape key and inverted-T arrow keys I’m cutting my losses and jumping to Linux after 30 years as a Mac owner.

Waterluvian 7y ago
I'm curious what losses there are to be cut? Isn't it as simple as just buying a different product and using that instead? It's not like my kitchen only fits Whirlpool or my garage only fits Honda.
- AbacusAvenger 7y ago
  Presumably the investment in MacOS applications. Switching from Mac to whatever else would require finding replacements for those.
- WoodenChair 7y ago
  Losses in accumulated platform knowledge, purchased software investments, and custom built tooling. No, it’s not like replacing a dishwasher!
- stephenwilliams 7y ago
  Possibly software and accessories that only work with macOS.
- masklinn 7y ago
  > I'm curious what losses there are to be cut? Isn't it as simple as just buying a different product and using that instead? Chances are they have software installed on their machine. OSX has a vibrant ecosystem of independent developer and thus a pretty large number of bespoke good-quality software which might / would have to be replaced. Especially as cross-platform software tends to integrate less than well with the platform. That goes double for older mac users, which have a higher tendency to use native software. And of course one needs the time to adapt to different paradigms, shortcuts, facilities, … once again especially for older users of the platform for whom this becomes second nature. Incidentally the points mix, the second one drives the first, I regularly notice cross-platform software which doesn't respond properly to Cocoa's text-movement shortcuts (even a simple C-a / C-e).
- d-sc 7y ago
  For me, these are non trivial to replace on Linux or windows: 3 years of randomly generated passwords conveniently stored, a purchased movie collection on iTunes, tab syncing between phone and laptop, touchId login, and probably most importantly iMessage sync between laptop and phone.
WoodenChair 7y ago
I’m also a thirty year Mac user and also not happy about the keyboard and waiting for a new one (using pre 2016s) - but I’m not going to throw away three decades of my own knowledge and tooling over it. Yes it sucks, but that seems like blowing it out of proportion.
bin0 7y ago
Not sure I understand this. Apple means both hardware and software, are you cutting software and using linux on a macbook, or cutting hardware too and using on a windows machine?
nsxwolf 7y ago
Whoah Whoah they’re talking about getting rid of arrow keys?
geophile 7y ago
Already jumped. System76 Darter + PopOS is a great combination.

Waterluvian 7y ago

I'm curious what losses there are to be cut? Isn't it as simple as just buying a different product and using that instead? It's not like my kitchen only fits Whirlpool or my garage only fits Honda.

AbacusAvenger 7y ago
Presumably the investment in MacOS applications. Switching from Mac to whatever else would require finding replacements for those.
WoodenChair 7y ago
Losses in accumulated platform knowledge, purchased software investments, and custom built tooling. No, it’s not like replacing a dishwasher!
stephenwilliams 7y ago
Possibly software and accessories that only work with macOS.
masklinn 7y ago
> I'm curious what losses there are to be cut? Isn't it as simple as just buying a different product and using that instead? Chances are they have software installed on their machine. OSX has a vibrant ecosystem of independent developer and thus a pretty large number of bespoke good-quality software which might / would have to be replaced. Especially as cross-platform software tends to integrate less than well with the platform. That goes double for older mac users, which have a higher tendency to use native software. And of course one needs the time to adapt to different paradigms, shortcuts, facilities, … once again especially for older users of the platform for whom this becomes second nature. Incidentally the points mix, the second one drives the first, I regularly notice cross-platform software which doesn't respond properly to Cocoa's text-movement shortcuts (even a simple C-a / C-e).
d-sc 7y ago
For me, these are non trivial to replace on Linux or windows: 3 years of randomly generated passwords conveniently stored, a purchased movie collection on iTunes, tab syncing between phone and laptop, touchId login, and probably most importantly iMessage sync between laptop and phone.

WoodenChair 7y ago

I’m also a thirty year Mac user and also not happy about the keyboard and waiting for a new one (using pre 2016s) - but I’m not going to throw away three decades of my own knowledge and tooling over it. Yes it sucks, but that seems like blowing it out of proportion.

bin0 7y ago

Not sure I understand this. Apple means both hardware and software, are you cutting software and using linux on a macbook, or cutting hardware too and using on a windows machine?

nsxwolf 7y ago

Whoah Whoah they’re talking about getting rid of arrow keys?

geophile 7y ago

Already jumped. System76 Darter + PopOS is a great combination.