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Depending on the purpose, for example if somebody just wants a compact home cloud, the Odroid HC2 could also - still - be considered: https://www.hardkernel.com
by Medox 7y ago
Depending on the purpose, for example if somebody just wants a compact home cloud, the Odroid HC2 could also - still - be considered: https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-hc2-home-cloud-two/ https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-hc2-home-cloud-two/
- Half the RAM but double the cores. I'm waiting for some benchmarks to see if the RPi4 is faster and by how much.
- Also Gigabit Ethernet and it works great. My downloads are always at 108-111MB/s for the whole transfer.
- Not USB 3.0 but has "oldschool" SATA through an internal USB-2-SATA adapter. It's at least more compact, otherwise the RPi4 with an external USB 3.0 drive will probably work even better.
- works with a normal 12V power supply, which could be lying around already, from older external drives.
Not to disrespect the RPi4, as I'll be getting one of them too very soon.
- StudentStuff 7y agoThe OrangePi 3 at $40 is also pretty neat, PCIe 1x, 8GB onboard eMMC, 4x USB 3.0, Bluetooth 5, Wireless AC (pretty sure they beat Raspberry Pi to the punch on this...) and it has mainline kernel support: http://www.orangepi.org/Orange%20Pi%203/ http://www.orangepi.org/Orange%20Pi%203/
- vardump 7y agoA53 SoC, new RPi4 with A72 is going to run circles around this one.
- StreamBright 7y agoUnless you are doing disk io and most of your CPU cycles spent on it.
- rubyfan 7y agoSoftware support is lacking in this device. No OpenGL, no retro gaming with the March 2019 images. Are you configuring yours differently?
- StudentStuff 7y agoOld and new Mali GPUs just got mainline kernel support: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19908741 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19908741
- NikkiA 7y agoThe one downside to OrangePi systems is that they use a (semi-) non-standard DC connector (1.8mm I think, definitely not 2.1mm or 2.5mm though).
- StudentStuff 7y agoI think this is to avoid the plentiful 12v adapters that use those sizes, as you could fry the board with a bad PSU. The 5v adapters that do use those more standard sizes are generally 500mA or 1A, which is enough to (unreliably) boot and run the board.
- paulcarroty 7y ago> the Odroid HC2 could also - still - be considered Even don't think about it - shitty support from vendor. They don't care about updates in general.
- steevdave 7y agoAre you sure? I've worked with a myriad of ARM devices, and I would say that despite their small size, Hardkernel are one of the most responsive companies when I have had issues. I say that as both a Gentoo and Kali ARM dev
- paulcarroty 7y agoI'm sure, just check available OS images for their old boards.
- squarefoot 7y agoHardware vendors hardly are the best sources for OS images, except maybe for very new boards. When I shop for a board I always look if it is supported by community driven projects such as Armbian, DietPI or even plain Debian. Take a look here if your board is supported. https://www.armbian.com/download/ https://www.armbian.com/download/ https://dietpi.com/#download https://dietpi.com/#download
- pizzazzaro 7y agoIm excited to look at the wifi on the RP4! Any word on the chipset used for that? On a more personal note - thank you for your service. You got any advice for pulling the aircrack_ng/rtl8812au driver from github and making it into a patch for building in-kernel? I really like having signed-module verification, but I also really want this driver.
- jack12 7y agoThe credits at the end of the post thank folks who worked on the CYW43455 integration, which matchs up with the raspberry expectation of being a (former) Broadcom part.
- 8fingerlouie 7y agoThe USB port on the Odroid HC2 is 2.0, but the SATA interface is connected to a USB3 but, as is the Gigabit Ethernet. Furthermore, SATA and Ethernet are connected to individual USB3 busses, as opposed to earlier RPi designs where everything shared the same USB2 bus. I haven't checked the RPi 4 specs yet, but i can imagine it's still the same layout, just a faster bus, which can be "just fine" - it should be plenty fast to saturate a Gigabit ethernet as well as the SSD/HDD IO required to do that.
- gertrunde 7y agoFor the RPi 4, they moved the ethernet controller onto the SoC, it's not connected via USB any more.
- wlll 7y agoThat is exactly what I've been interested in, and the information I was looking for thanks.
- Medox 7y agoThe USB-2-Sata interface is indeed USB 3.0. Thanks. USB 2.0 would be too slow to achieve my 100+ MB/s.
- pizza234 7y agoI had an Exynos 5422, and when it came out it was a great card, however, nowadays, it's old generation - it consumes more and it's less performing than the latest archictures (A7x). "Double the cores" is not a valid consideration - 4+ core configurations typically have 2/4 cores (the 5422 has 4) with a high-powered architecture, and the remainder with a low powered one. Compare for example the XU4 with the N2 - the N2 is more powerful, and yet, it has less cores (4 hp. + 2 lp.) and requires no fan. The RPi is an interesting configuration - they have 4 high-powered architecture cores (4x A72) only. It seems it doesn't require any fan. Of course if one requires specific chipset/components, we're talking about specific use cases, which is another story.
- bin0 7y agoIt does at least need a heatsink. Though it will function without it, you may get temperature warnings, and it will run hot enough to significantly reduce component life. I've also hooked an old PC case fan to the GPIO pins or a USB port, and it runs slower (5V vs the 12 it expects) but does the job fine.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago> compact home cloud Can we just start calling them servers again?
- Spivak 7y agoThe distinction in actual usage between using cloud, server, and homelab to describe their setup seems to be rooted in their purpose. * Home Lab :: Running a partial/full enterprise IT stack for fun and education. * Home Server :: Running primarily internal services like file storage, backups, media streaming, home automation, maybe some light networking. * Home Cloud :: Running primarily external services on the public internet to replace 3rd party SaaS services. More often than not this is done with a VPS provider rather than physical hardware in your home. So maybe you find the terminology annoying since everything is cloud these days but it's genuinely useful to us folks in the forums. You can also call "home cloud" selfhosting if you find it less jarring.
- Deinos 7y agoI agree with you and appreciate the granularity that the distinctions afford.
- phkahler 7y agoI see value in what you call home cloud. It has a lot of potential for distributing things and giving control of data back to people. Is there a place where I can follow developments like this? Also, it seems like Western Digital would be an ideal player in the space since they want to bring processing to data storage via RISC-V.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y agoSynology is probably the biggest player in this actually. They sell NAS hardware you can just add software to, with a selection of "home cloud" software of their own.
- snvzz 7y ago
- guilhermetk 7y agohttps://medium.com/@ghalfacree/benchmarking-the-raspberry-pi-4-73e5afbcd54b https://medium.com/@ghalfacree/benchmarking-the-raspberry-pi...
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- rglullis 7y ago
- lossolo 7y agoI had ODROID C2, I don't know how things are now but I've returned mine as it hanged a lot and had lots of different issues. At same time I had 2x Raspberry Pi and it worked fine. This was couple of years ago.
- djsumdog 7y agoI'd love to run something like this, but I recently switched to ZFS which recommends having a lot of RAM (my NAS has 4GB). It's what kept me from going the route of the Helios 4.
- anderspitman 7y agoThat and is there really much point in using ZFS if you can't give it complete hardware control over the disk controllers?
- thachnb 7y agoI have been using Odroid XU4 for home server (home assistant), personal CCTV, controls IR blaster and other sensors for years, still running perfect without rebooting for months. I also have Pi 3 for Pi Hole, but honestly my Odroid XU4 is more stable than Pi 3.
- tracker1 7y agoTo me, the RPi is the choice only because every other single board I've used had so much less support than RPi does... I have a 3B+ running retropie and it's doing okay, but if this one can also do a decent job with h265 under kodi, I'll be very happy indeed. Ordered a starter canakit with a couple extras, and looks like I won't see it until August. :-( ... I'll probably forget I ordered it by the time it comes.