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> You are awfully quick to cuss at someone for merely having a difference of opinion about something that could be viewed as trivial in the grand scheme of thin

> You are awfully quick to cuss at someone for merely having a difference of opinion about something that could be viewed as trivial in the grand scheme of things. I didn't swear because you have a different opinion. I swore because "well I don't think it is" is not a valid response to the logic posted. > Ironic given that you are decrying the evils of a forum supposedly becoming an echo chamber. I didn't silence you, or hide your comment from others. Please learn what irony is. > I, I, I, <snip> How is any of that relevant. Please discuss the facts. How you or I or the neighbours dog live is irrelevant. > Although I have a lobsters account, I barely spend any time there in part because of the gestapo like inquiry from the moderating staff concerning why the hell I had joined given that I don't yet know how to code. The moderating staff made it quite clear my nefarious interest in a coding forum as a non programmer combined with "unusual behavior" -- probably largely rooted in being a demographic outlier -- meant they absolutely had their eye on me. Given that Lobste.rs makes moderation actions public, please provide some references. > how you have logic on your side utterly fails to overturn the weight of my first-hand experience with both forums. Lets cut straight to the facts: HN approves and agrees with "downvote to show disagreement". Fact. HN by-default completely hides, and even with that option off, uses styling to reduce readability of any comment that is down voted. Fact. Lobste.rs requires an actual reason to downvote, specifically to counter the type of things that occur on HN and other sites with similar features. Fact. Lobste.rs does not "hide" down voted comments. So please, tell me again how your anecdotal evidence is more relevant than the simple logic of how each site is designed to function?

DoreenMichele 7y ago
Given that Lobste.rs makes moderation actions public, please provide some references Contrary to how you believe the site operates, they private messaged me.
- stephenr 7y ago
  > Contrary to how you believe the site operates, they private messaged me. Who is "they"? What comments/posts was it in reference to?
  - DoreenMichele 7y ago
    After I declined to publicly answer his overly personal inquiry, pushcx messaged me the following: Hey Doreen, After chatting with you about the text on the invite page I’m curious, what brought you to Lobsters? I can’t imagine it being especially interesting to people who aren’t developers or sysadmins. Why did you want to sign up and participate, what does Lobsters have that’s interesting to you? It is, of course, extremely superficially polite. Except he asked me a question publicly. I declined to answer his personal question publicly. So he publicly stated that I was welcome to message him privately about it. I said no thanks, I'm good and then he messaged me privately. So, in, other words, it wasn't an invitation. I wasn't allowed to decline to discuss it with him. I was actually required to answer his invasive questions. Conversation he's referencing is here: https://lobste.rs/s/sfzmwr/proposal_set_everyone_s_invite_count_zero#c_qriulp https://lobste.rs/s/sfzmwr/proposal_set_everyone_s_invite_co... I don't intend to discuss this further with you. But, in short, social issues are people problems and tech is merely a tool. Tech doesn't per se solve social problems. That's not actually how that works. (In case it actually needs to be said, my handle over there is Doreen.)
    - stephenr 7y ago
      You thought one of the people who runs a site, that you signed up for, asking what brought you there, after a discussion around how the site attracts new users, was "invasive"? Oh wait. Is me asking about him asking also invasive? > I don't intend to discuss this further with you. Good. I'd hate for you to somehow think I'm a nazi because I asked a fucking question.
dang 7y ago
Crossing into personal attack will get you banned here, regardless of how you feel about HN. You've unfortunately done this repeatedly and we've had to warn you repeatedly in the past. Would you mind reviewing the site guidelines and using this site as intended while you're here, even if it isn't your favorite? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- stephenr 7y ago
  Where did I attack her? I argued that anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
  - dang 7y ago
    For one thing, "Please learn what irony is" is a personal swipe and you can't do that here. More generally, can you please just not argue so aggressively on HN? It's not necessary, it invites worse from others, and it's a gigantic bummer.
    - stephenr 7y ago
      Ok, duly noted. I should have said “that isn’t irony”. I’ll refrain from asking people to learn the meaning of the words they use in future.

DoreenMichele 7y ago

Given that Lobste.rs makes moderation actions public, please provide some references Contrary to how you believe the site operates, they private messaged me.

stephenr 7y ago
> Contrary to how you believe the site operates, they private messaged me. Who is "they"? What comments/posts was it in reference to?
- DoreenMichele 7y ago
  After I declined to publicly answer his overly personal inquiry, pushcx messaged me the following: Hey Doreen, After chatting with you about the text on the invite page I’m curious, what brought you to Lobsters? I can’t imagine it being especially interesting to people who aren’t developers or sysadmins. Why did you want to sign up and participate, what does Lobsters have that’s interesting to you? It is, of course, extremely superficially polite. Except he asked me a question publicly. I declined to answer his personal question publicly. So he publicly stated that I was welcome to message him privately about it. I said no thanks, I'm good and then he messaged me privately. So, in, other words, it wasn't an invitation. I wasn't allowed to decline to discuss it with him. I was actually required to answer his invasive questions. Conversation he's referencing is here: https://lobste.rs/s/sfzmwr/proposal_set_everyone_s_invite_count_zero#c_qriulp https://lobste.rs/s/sfzmwr/proposal_set_everyone_s_invite_co... I don't intend to discuss this further with you. But, in short, social issues are people problems and tech is merely a tool. Tech doesn't per se solve social problems. That's not actually how that works. (In case it actually needs to be said, my handle over there is Doreen.)
  - stephenr 7y ago
    You thought one of the people who runs a site, that you signed up for, asking what brought you there, after a discussion around how the site attracts new users, was "invasive"? Oh wait. Is me asking about him asking also invasive? > I don't intend to discuss this further with you. Good. I'd hate for you to somehow think I'm a nazi because I asked a fucking question.

dang 7y ago

Crossing into personal attack will get you banned here, regardless of how you feel about HN. You've unfortunately done this repeatedly and we've had to warn you repeatedly in the past. Would you mind reviewing the site guidelines and using this site as intended while you're here, even if it isn't your favorite? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

stephenr 7y ago
Where did I attack her? I argued that anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
- dang 7y ago
  For one thing, "Please learn what irony is" is a personal swipe and you can't do that here. More generally, can you please just not argue so aggressively on HN? It's not necessary, it invites worse from others, and it's a gigantic bummer.
  - stephenr 7y ago
    Ok, duly noted. I should have said “that isn’t irony”. I’ll refrain from asking people to learn the meaning of the words they use in future.