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I really don't see how Amazon is any different to Pirate Bay here. I take it there aren't too many pirate movies being sold so that Hollywood won't get involve

I really don't see how Amazon is any different to Pirate Bay here. I take it there aren't too many pirate movies being sold so that Hollywood won't get involved.

gwern 7y ago
An irony here is that it looks like you are increasingly more likely to get the real book if you go to Libgen rather than Amazon.
- wbl 7y ago
  The old Yo Ho has rarely gotten me anything not as described. The same cannot be said for amazon.
SomeOldThrow 7y ago
It’s actually far worse than the pirate bay IMHO as they appear legit and pocket a part of transactions—ie profiting over screwing over otherwise moral agents who attempt an honest transaction.
BLKNSLVR 7y ago
That's a great analogy / comparison. Lots of interesting thought experiments and research could go into separating the differences between, and collating the similarities of, the two. The original Pirate Bay founders were pursued internationally to be held accountable for their intellectual property facilitation. Will Jeff Bezos join Kim Dotcom in New Zealand to hide from US prosecution for facilitating the sale of counterfeit books? Will there be any follow-up or holding to account? Hahahaha, NO! How does this sit within the context of the US-China trade war? (Physical) Counterfeit products versus (electronic) intellectual property breaches, with seemingly more importance placed upon the less tangible, electronic, law-breaking. You've found the entry to a labyrinthine rabbit hole.
krick 7y ago
Well, Pirate Bay sure is cheaper...
runarberg 7y ago
I started buying DVDs on amazon. I ordered my first batch of like 10 movies and I seriously think they are all counterfeit.
mcv 7y ago
> I really don't see how Amazon is any different to Pirate Bay here. I do. On Amazon you pay real money to get the real thing, potentially for something important like medical texts or safety equipment. You expect to be able to trust them, and that trust is broken. Customers get defrauded. On Pirate Bay, you pay nothing to get something you know is illegal and might be malware. Users are not getting defrauded; they are the ones doing something illegal, and the "sellers" are not directly profiting from it. So what Amazon is doing is significantly worse and more dangerous than The Pirate Bay.

I really don't see how Amazon is any different to Pirate Bay here. I take it there aren't too many pirate movies being sold so that Hollywood won't get involved.

gwern 7y ago

An irony here is that it looks like you are increasingly more likely to get the real book if you go to Libgen rather than Amazon.

wbl 7y ago
The old Yo Ho has rarely gotten me anything not as described. The same cannot be said for amazon.

SomeOldThrow 7y ago

It’s actually far worse than the pirate bay IMHO as they appear legit and pocket a part of transactions—ie profiting over screwing over otherwise moral agents who attempt an honest transaction.

BLKNSLVR 7y ago

That's a great analogy / comparison. Lots of interesting thought experiments and research could go into separating the differences between, and collating the similarities of, the two. The original Pirate Bay founders were pursued internationally to be held accountable for their intellectual property facilitation. Will Jeff Bezos join Kim Dotcom in New Zealand to hide from US prosecution for facilitating the sale of counterfeit books? Will there be any follow-up or holding to account? Hahahaha, NO! How does this sit within the context of the US-China trade war? (Physical) Counterfeit products versus (electronic) intellectual property breaches, with seemingly more importance placed upon the less tangible, electronic, law-breaking. You've found the entry to a labyrinthine rabbit hole.

krick 7y ago

Well, Pirate Bay sure is cheaper...

runarberg 7y ago

I started buying DVDs on amazon. I ordered my first batch of like 10 movies and I seriously think they are all counterfeit.

mcv 7y ago

> I really don't see how Amazon is any different to Pirate Bay here. I do. On Amazon you pay real money to get the real thing, potentially for something important like medical texts or safety equipment. You expect to be able to trust them, and that trust is broken. Customers get defrauded. On Pirate Bay, you pay nothing to get something you know is illegal and might be malware. Users are not getting defrauded; they are the ones doing something illegal, and the "sellers" are not directly profiting from it. So what Amazon is doing is significantly worse and more dangerous than The Pirate Bay.