> You can have all the doubts you want about bias in phone polling, but unless you can explain to me why it should be biased towards Trump supporters in a signi

> You can have all the doubts you want about bias in phone polling, but unless you can explain to me why it should be biased towards Trump supporters in a significant way, I'm not making this case. I'm making the case that these polls are not a good basis for drawing any conclusions about support for a particular candidate or elected official throughout the entire population. > I could certainly come up with reasons why those numbers would be biased against Trump: Coming out in favor of him is "undeniable support for white supremacy" or "caging children" or "pussy grabbing" or whatever scandal Trump is currently involved in. That's also the likely reason why the election polls were so utterly wrong. Agreed - the polls are not useful for this particular set of conclusions. > Okay, let's say we count all of these [people under the age of 18, incarcerated people, undocumented immigrants, and homeless people] as "non-supporters", you'd still have approval by roughly a third of the country. Is "roughly a third" really substantially different from "fourty-ish"? I'm not following the math here. Are you suggesting that, taken together, these groups represent only 7% of the population? Obviously that's not correct.