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But Ravelry, why is "[s]upport of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy"? They haven't made that clear at all.

elygre 7y ago
I agree, they didn’t. You may have to use other sources for that.
mc32 7y ago
Apparently it’s one of those self-evident assertions that need no explanation.
- amingilani 7y ago
  Ostensibly, I'm sure you mean. But since there are no solid statements from the Trump administration in support of white supremacy, and nothing recently happened that would make Trump a supremacist, I don't understand why a company with 800k users would suddenly take a political stand and alienate a portion of its users.
aerovistae 7y ago
They don't have to. Anymore than Reddit owes users an explanation for banning /r/coontown.
- Chris_Chambers 7y ago
  Speaking of reddit, you should stop acting like that’s the site you’re currently on.
lemming 7y ago
They cite the RPGnet forums as an inspiration for this, their thread has a Policy Citations section: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/new-ban-do-not-post-in-support-of-trump-or-his-administration.835849/ https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/new-ban-do-not-post-...
jMyles 7y ago
I am happy to take that claim as read; the US government is a white supremacist institution and has been from its inception. The naked commitment to the ongoing atrocities in prisons, at the border, and in migrant detention camps around the country is evidence that the direction of the institution has not become more enlightened or tolerant under this administration, and seems to have gotten worse.
wyxuan 7y ago
I think it's the belief that since white supremacy has so closely linked itself with Trump base that it is hard to support Trump without the connotations of racism. I could be wrong. Anyway it should be mentioned this is a crocheting website first and foremost, not a politics one.
- gridlockd 7y ago
  > Anyway it should be mentioned this is a crocheting website first and foremost, not a politics one. Exactly, they got their priorities straight: 1. Crocheting 2. Assessments on what is and isn't white supremacy 3. Knitting
  - happytoexplain 7y ago
    Wouldn't any website reasonably be motivated to ban hateful content, and in practice usually do? Most places seem to just rely on good old human moderation and subjectivity. It's imperfect, but it would be naive to think you could write perfectly deterministic rules for identifying hateful content. It doesn't mean you should fall back to inaction.
    - gridlockd 7y ago
      A website could be reasonably motivated to ban anything that is disturbing the intended operation, especially political discussion. The irony here is that putting out the claim that "Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy" is an extreme political statement that is likely going to disturb intended operation going forward.
  - TomK32 7y ago
    Exactly, knitting goes third, and I'm just not saying that as a crocheter.
oceanghost 7y ago
That's the thing. I don't believe in, what I am going to call the transitive property of racism/sexism. I voted for Trump because Hillary Clinton tanked the candidate I wanted to vote for-- Bernie Sanders. That does not make me racist or sexist. Period. Full stop. The amount of crappy stuff Hillary Clinton has done is mind-boggling. Most notably, covering up rapes her husband committed. Either way in 2016-- you were voting for a rapist.
- happytoexplain 7y ago
  I don't understand why, in such a ridiculously broken system, people seem to assume voting == supporting. I know plenty of people who thought Trump was a better candidate than Clinton who are not sexist, racist, white supremacist, nor just assholes. I know near-zero people who actively express support for Trump generally who do not grapple with at least one of those traits.

elygre 7y ago

I agree, they didn’t. You may have to use other sources for that.

mc32 7y ago

Apparently it’s one of those self-evident assertions that need no explanation.

amingilani 7y ago
Ostensibly, I'm sure you mean. But since there are no solid statements from the Trump administration in support of white supremacy, and nothing recently happened that would make Trump a supremacist, I don't understand why a company with 800k users would suddenly take a political stand and alienate a portion of its users.

aerovistae 7y ago

They don't have to. Anymore than Reddit owes users an explanation for banning /r/coontown.

Chris_Chambers 7y ago
Speaking of reddit, you should stop acting like that’s the site you’re currently on.

lemming 7y ago

They cite the RPGnet forums as an inspiration for this, their thread has a Policy Citations section: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/new-ban-do-not-post-in-support-of-trump-or-his-administration.835849/ https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/new-ban-do-not-post-...

jMyles 7y ago

I am happy to take that claim as read; the US government is a white supremacist institution and has been from its inception. The naked commitment to the ongoing atrocities in prisons, at the border, and in migrant detention camps around the country is evidence that the direction of the institution has not become more enlightened or tolerant under this administration, and seems to have gotten worse.

wyxuan 7y ago

I think it's the belief that since white supremacy has so closely linked itself with Trump base that it is hard to support Trump without the connotations of racism. I could be wrong. Anyway it should be mentioned this is a crocheting website first and foremost, not a politics one.

gridlockd 7y ago
> Anyway it should be mentioned this is a crocheting website first and foremost, not a politics one. Exactly, they got their priorities straight: 1. Crocheting 2. Assessments on what is and isn't white supremacy 3. Knitting
- happytoexplain 7y ago
  Wouldn't any website reasonably be motivated to ban hateful content, and in practice usually do? Most places seem to just rely on good old human moderation and subjectivity. It's imperfect, but it would be naive to think you could write perfectly deterministic rules for identifying hateful content. It doesn't mean you should fall back to inaction.
  - gridlockd 7y ago
    A website could be reasonably motivated to ban anything that is disturbing the intended operation, especially political discussion. The irony here is that putting out the claim that "Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy" is an extreme political statement that is likely going to disturb intended operation going forward.
- TomK32 7y ago
  Exactly, knitting goes third, and I'm just not saying that as a crocheter.

oceanghost 7y ago

That's the thing. I don't believe in, what I am going to call the transitive property of racism/sexism. I voted for Trump because Hillary Clinton tanked the candidate I wanted to vote for-- Bernie Sanders. That does not make me racist or sexist. Period. Full stop. The amount of crappy stuff Hillary Clinton has done is mind-boggling. Most notably, covering up rapes her husband committed. Either way in 2016-- you were voting for a rapist.

happytoexplain 7y ago
I don't understand why, in such a ridiculously broken system, people seem to assume voting == supporting. I know plenty of people who thought Trump was a better candidate than Clinton who are not sexist, racist, white supremacist, nor just assholes. I know near-zero people who actively express support for Trump generally who do not grapple with at least one of those traits.