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>> What is the entire region of the geographical Amazon going to do with a whole TLD? 'Therefore we decide, that you don't need whole TLD. This company (whoa,

by deelly 7y ago

>> What is the entire region of the geographical Amazon going to do with a whole TLD? 'Therefore we decide, that you don't need whole TLD. This company (whoa, with money!) will use it better'

fastball 7y ago
OC's point is that these countries can take literally any other ccTLD they want. Brazil can take .brasil and then have amazon.brasil, which makes more sense to me anyway. But if you start to let people argue incessantly over who gets what ccTLD, the end result is that there just aren't going to be very many ccTLDs. OC is saying "treat ccTLD's like we treated .com's: first come first serve" and you'll end up with a much richer variety of domains.
solidasparagus 7y ago
How would you like it to be decided? I'm not going to say I love the slow ICANN process, but it was designed to allow all stakeholders to have their say while trying to prevent endless deadlock. This application has been in the works for 7 years. There have been many appeals of various kinds. The process is, as far as I can tell, extremely transparent. At the core of the debate is whether Amazon is a brand or a location. It's clearly both. Then the question is how to structure the shared governance of the TLD. According to the Amazon.com proposal email [1], ACTO is objecting to the current proposal. Several ACTO member states have submitted proposals individually, but there is no joint proposal (according to the email from Amazon.com). I couldn't find any ACTO joint proposal - they only seem to agree on blocking or delaying Amazon.com's proposal [2][3][4]. ICANN has a responsibility to make a decision at some point. Call me crazy, but I have very low confidence in ACTO's ability to run the TLD given that seven years into this process, we don't have a joint ACTO proposal [1] https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman-to-chalaby-17apr19-en.pdf https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman... [2] https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2019-05-15-en#1.c https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2... [3] https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/mendoza-to-chalaby-marby-05nov18-en.pdf https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/mendoza... [4] https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/mena-to-ismail-05mar19-en.pdf https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/mena-to...
- inetknght 7y ago
  Tell me, what's the worst that could happen? If you can't trust the TLD then just block *.amazon from your system services.

by deelly 7y ago

>> What is the entire region of the geographical Amazon going to do with a whole TLD? 'Therefore we decide, that you don't need whole TLD. This company (whoa, with money!) will use it better'

fastball 7y ago

OC's point is that these countries can take literally any other ccTLD they want. Brazil can take .brasil and then have amazon.brasil, which makes more sense to me anyway. But if you start to let people argue incessantly over who gets what ccTLD, the end result is that there just aren't going to be very many ccTLDs. OC is saying "treat ccTLD's like we treated .com's: first come first serve" and you'll end up with a much richer variety of domains.

solidasparagus 7y ago

How would you like it to be decided? I'm not going to say I love the slow ICANN process, but it was designed to allow all stakeholders to have their say while trying to prevent endless deadlock. This application has been in the works for 7 years. There have been many appeals of various kinds. The process is, as far as I can tell, extremely transparent. At the core of the debate is whether Amazon is a brand or a location. It's clearly both. Then the question is how to structure the shared governance of the TLD. According to the Amazon.com proposal email [1], ACTO is objecting to the current proposal. Several ACTO member states have submitted proposals individually, but there is no joint proposal (according to the email from Amazon.com). I couldn't find any ACTO joint proposal - they only seem to agree on blocking or delaying Amazon.com's proposal [2][3][4]. ICANN has a responsibility to make a decision at some point. Call me crazy, but I have very low confidence in ACTO's ability to run the TLD given that seven years into this process, we don't have a joint ACTO proposal [1] https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman-to-chalaby-17apr19-en.pdf https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman... [2] https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2019-05-15-en#1.c https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2... [3] https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/mendoza-to-chalaby-marby-05nov18-en.pdf https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/mendoza... [4] https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/mena-to-ismail-05mar19-en.pdf https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/mena-to...

inetknght 7y ago
Tell me, what's the worst that could happen? If you can't trust the TLD then just block *.amazon from your system services.