I still think the 17" models that they produced until about 2012 or 2013 were the best machines they have made. Everyone I know who had one kept those monsters

I still think the 17" models that they produced until about 2012 or 2013 were the best machines they have made. Everyone I know who had one kept those monsters running as long as they could. A refreshed version in that form factor might be enough to make me buy an Apple product.