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Chicago has a murder rate of 18.5 per 100,000 residents. That's high, but that's not "Oh, that's why all the poor people die younger" levels, not even close. T

by mabbo 7y ago

Chicago has a murder rate of 18.5 per 100,000 residents. That's high, but that's not "Oh, that's why all the poor people die younger" levels, not even close. Take your racism somewhere else.

deogeo 7y ago
But that neighborhood in particular has a higher murder rate, as it's described as "one of Chicago's most violent". In fact, the article itself blames the low life expectancy partly on violence: "The violence, of course, drives down life expectancy and health outcomes."
AdrianB1 7y ago
Question from an European: what is racist in that? We don't know what racism is in my country, we have virtually no foreigners of other races, but I see people labeling each other as racist in contexts that are not at all self-explanatory.
- locopati 7y ago
  The racism is in the suggestion that the violence is due to race rather than to the stressful conditions in which poverty places people and to institutional problems (ex: underfunded educational systems, the unjust justice system). If the conditions were improved, it is almost certain that the violence would decline. The way that race matters here is that because of race, those neighborhoods are not given the same levels of institutional support and suffer from institutional bias (ex: the Chicago police).
- happytoexplain 7y ago
  When, in some statistical context, a race has some problem, it naturally becomes a talking point for racists. Blacks disproportionately killing blacks is one of the most common examples. It's hard to differentiate bad-faith from good-faith application of the fact, and, while ideally we give everyone the benefit of all doubt, in reality it is sometimes impractical - e.g. the more terse the statement, the more it appears to not be making a salient point.
  - AdrianB1 7y ago
    Statistics is statistics, it should have nothing to do with race. But downvoting a question just because it is asked, how is this called? Are Europeans downvoted for being outsiders?

by mabbo 7y ago

Chicago has a murder rate of 18.5 per 100,000 residents. That's high, but that's not "Oh, that's why all the poor people die younger" levels, not even close. Take your racism somewhere else.

deogeo 7y ago

But that neighborhood in particular has a higher murder rate, as it's described as "one of Chicago's most violent". In fact, the article itself blames the low life expectancy partly on violence: "The violence, of course, drives down life expectancy and health outcomes."

AdrianB1 7y ago

Question from an European: what is racist in that? We don't know what racism is in my country, we have virtually no foreigners of other races, but I see people labeling each other as racist in contexts that are not at all self-explanatory.

locopati 7y ago
The racism is in the suggestion that the violence is due to race rather than to the stressful conditions in which poverty places people and to institutional problems (ex: underfunded educational systems, the unjust justice system). If the conditions were improved, it is almost certain that the violence would decline. The way that race matters here is that because of race, those neighborhoods are not given the same levels of institutional support and suffer from institutional bias (ex: the Chicago police).
happytoexplain 7y ago
When, in some statistical context, a race has some problem, it naturally becomes a talking point for racists. Blacks disproportionately killing blacks is one of the most common examples. It's hard to differentiate bad-faith from good-faith application of the fact, and, while ideally we give everyone the benefit of all doubt, in reality it is sometimes impractical - e.g. the more terse the statement, the more it appears to not be making a salient point.
- AdrianB1 7y ago
  Statistics is statistics, it should have nothing to do with race. But downvoting a question just because it is asked, how is this called? Are Europeans downvoted for being outsiders?