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https://icannwiki.org/ICANN_Board https://icannwiki.org/ICANN_Board Note that they have one Mexican, one El Salvadorean, but no South Americans. Also note that

https://icannwiki.org/ICANN_Board https://icannwiki.org/ICANN_Board Note that they have one Mexican, one El Salvadorean, but no South Americans. Also note that the only African is a Tunisian ex-Google employee. And the only east or south-east Asian appears to be Japanese. Why are we letting this group of business people make decisions about global internet? Why not, for example, scientists from the different countries?

geezerjay 7y ago
> Why are we letting this group of business people make decisions about global internet? Whether you like it or not, those "global businesses" do have an internet presence that's unquestionably more extensive than some countries. It would not be fair if organizations or countries that clearly are not interested in having a say on any issue regarding the global internet would have more of a say in these issues than those whose livelihood is the internet.
- paulryanrogers 7y ago
  Hopefully the Internet is more than just about jobs and business. FWIW, it's said that .int (international) never gained momentum for these globe-spanning organisations.
  - growtofill 7y ago
    What’s wrong with .com/.net/.org?
    - pwodhouse 7y ago
      IIRC Those are governed by the US; they aren't truly international
      - growtofill 7y ago
        Valid point, thank you. I wonder who would govern a truly international TLD then. UN? New body?
- Myrmornis 7y ago
  Thanks for checking with east Asians and sub-Saharan Africans that they’re not interested in it. I didn’t have time for that this morning.
  - geezerjay 7y ago
    > Thanks for checking with east Asians and sub-Saharan Africans that they’re not interested in it. I didn’t have time for that this morning. If anyone had any interest whatsoever they would've volunterr and contributed their time. Unlike the nonsense you're implying, no one is barring anyone from participating. In fact, you're bitching about those who actually did anything at all, which speaks volumes about your desperate attempt at virtue signaling.
LoSboccacc 7y ago
> global internet this is a good time as any to remind that the vast majority of the world is under illiberal regimes and religious dictatorships and a "global internet governance" would outnumber free, liberal countries 2 to 1. you'd need to start putting barriers and borders to the committee to avoid regime using it to steer the internet toward oppressive goals, and there's not one way of partitioning it that would make the whole thing politically acceptable by the countries making the cut and by those not making it. it'll become just another bargaining chip on the international political bickering, at which point competing business interest under a liberal constitution start to seem a more reasonable compromise.
- SiempreViernes 7y ago
  Right, so you mean everything outside "the west" never have any legitimate grievances and can thus be denied a voice in the name of protecting democracy? Further, ignoring the global nature of the internet when it comes to the governance of it seems simply unwise, and is very clearly a political decision in itself and not neutral. It is also clearly illiberal to explicitly deny agency to a multitude of affected stakeholders that have been allowed to join the network, despite their dirty track record.
  - pwodhouse 7y ago
    In a tyrannical country of 20milion people ruled by a dictator, giving the dictator agency doesn't help the 20million suppressed people. Never confuse a nation of people with its (often illegitimate) government
dwighttk 7y ago
how do you know they aren't scientists?
- Myrmornis 7y ago
  The individuals have bios in the Wiki page I posted.
  - dwighttk 7y ago
    I didn't check them all, but none of them I saw said they weren't scientists.
    - Myrmornis 7y ago
      You must be looking at a different link. I'm talking about https://icannwiki.org/ICANN_Board https://icannwiki.org/ICANN_Board Below are the first 4 I looked at: Prior to his position with ICANN, Marby was the Director General at the Swedish Post & Telecom Agency in Stockholm, Sweden. Career business person: https://icannwiki.org/Cherine_Chalaby https://icannwiki.org/Cherine_Chalaby Leon Sanchez is ... is a lawyer and head of the Intellectual Property Division for Fulton & Fulton, a law firm in Mexico. Previously, Burr served as the Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer at Neustar from May 2012 - March 2019.
Proven 7y ago
Because ICANN is not the freaking United Nations where everyone has to be invited. They're supposed to run business and not screw us up. > Why are we letting this group of business people make decisions about global internet? As opposed to another group of non-business people such as a bunch of government or UN employees without experience in running a business? Why did you let the UN give the Saudis get a seat on the UN Human Rights Council? > Why not, for example, scientists from the different countries? What difference would that make, except that it would open ICANN to influence of communists and religious fanatics? You have some very good ideas, I'd put you in charge.

geezerjay 7y ago

> Why are we letting this group of business people make decisions about global internet? Whether you like it or not, those "global businesses" do have an internet presence that's unquestionably more extensive than some countries. It would not be fair if organizations or countries that clearly are not interested in having a say on any issue regarding the global internet would have more of a say in these issues than those whose livelihood is the internet.

paulryanrogers 7y ago
Hopefully the Internet is more than just about jobs and business. FWIW, it's said that .int (international) never gained momentum for these globe-spanning organisations.
- growtofill 7y ago
  What’s wrong with .com/.net/.org?
  - pwodhouse 7y ago
    IIRC Those are governed by the US; they aren't truly international
    - growtofill 7y ago
      Valid point, thank you. I wonder who would govern a truly international TLD then. UN? New body?
Myrmornis 7y ago
Thanks for checking with east Asians and sub-Saharan Africans that they’re not interested in it. I didn’t have time for that this morning.
- geezerjay 7y ago
  > Thanks for checking with east Asians and sub-Saharan Africans that they’re not interested in it. I didn’t have time for that this morning. If anyone had any interest whatsoever they would've volunterr and contributed their time. Unlike the nonsense you're implying, no one is barring anyone from participating. In fact, you're bitching about those who actually did anything at all, which speaks volumes about your desperate attempt at virtue signaling.

LoSboccacc 7y ago

> global internet this is a good time as any to remind that the vast majority of the world is under illiberal regimes and religious dictatorships and a "global internet governance" would outnumber free, liberal countries 2 to 1. you'd need to start putting barriers and borders to the committee to avoid regime using it to steer the internet toward oppressive goals, and there's not one way of partitioning it that would make the whole thing politically acceptable by the countries making the cut and by those not making it. it'll become just another bargaining chip on the international political bickering, at which point competing business interest under a liberal constitution start to seem a more reasonable compromise.

SiempreViernes 7y ago
Right, so you mean everything outside "the west" never have any legitimate grievances and can thus be denied a voice in the name of protecting democracy? Further, ignoring the global nature of the internet when it comes to the governance of it seems simply unwise, and is very clearly a political decision in itself and not neutral. It is also clearly illiberal to explicitly deny agency to a multitude of affected stakeholders that have been allowed to join the network, despite their dirty track record.
- pwodhouse 7y ago
  In a tyrannical country of 20milion people ruled by a dictator, giving the dictator agency doesn't help the 20million suppressed people. Never confuse a nation of people with its (often illegitimate) government

dwighttk 7y ago

how do you know they aren't scientists?

Myrmornis 7y ago
The individuals have bios in the Wiki page I posted.
- dwighttk 7y ago
  I didn't check them all, but none of them I saw said they weren't scientists.
  - Myrmornis 7y ago
    You must be looking at a different link. I'm talking about https://icannwiki.org/ICANN_Board https://icannwiki.org/ICANN_Board Below are the first 4 I looked at: Prior to his position with ICANN, Marby was the Director General at the Swedish Post & Telecom Agency in Stockholm, Sweden. Career business person: https://icannwiki.org/Cherine_Chalaby https://icannwiki.org/Cherine_Chalaby Leon Sanchez is ... is a lawyer and head of the Intellectual Property Division for Fulton & Fulton, a law firm in Mexico. Previously, Burr served as the Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer at Neustar from May 2012 - March 2019.

Proven 7y ago

Because ICANN is not the freaking United Nations where everyone has to be invited. They're supposed to run business and not screw us up. > Why are we letting this group of business people make decisions about global internet? As opposed to another group of non-business people such as a bunch of government or UN employees without experience in running a business? Why did you let the UN give the Saudis get a seat on the UN Human Rights Council? > Why not, for example, scientists from the different countries? What difference would that make, except that it would open ICANN to influence of communists and religious fanatics? You have some very good ideas, I'd put you in charge.