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> E.g. if an officer is grabbing your arm, and you try to yank it free, this constitutes "assaulting a police officer" and will go into that number. Obviously

> E.g. if an officer is grabbing your arm, and you try to yank it free, this constitutes "assaulting a police officer" and will go into that number. Obviously it's at least obstruction of a police officer. > In past protests the police also reported officers being hurt without qualifying that they had been hurt by other officers employing tear gas against protesters. > Edit: to add at least one source, here's Spiegel Online reporting that the police counted dehydration and circulatory issues as "injured officers" (German unfortunately) But they were injured during the police action?

Semaphor 7y ago
> But they were injured during the police action? Yes, but to many, it might sound like injuries due to protestors attacking them.
pluma 7y ago
If a police officer is doing something illegal, you are not legally required to comply. Also, Germany in theory has pretty strict laws about what is considered an appropriate level of force (which is why you're considerably less likely to see a German police officer reach for their gun because even drawing the gun is considered a massive escalation and may require them to file paperwork later). The objection to the reporting isn't that they weren't injured, it's that the numbers are used to portray protestors as violent even when the injuries were the direct result of police violence. If I punch you in the face and break my hand, it's at least extremely misleading to report that as a fight in which both parties suffered injuries (mostly because "fight" implies you fought back).
x3ro 7y ago
If a police officer stops me for speeding and while giving me a fine dies of a heat stroke because it's really hot and they are dehydrated, did I kill that police officer? Because that seems to be the logic implied here.
- Lev1a 7y ago
  No, in that scenario he "died in the line of duty" or something similar to that.
- blattimwind 7y ago
  "XY officers were injured during a police action at protest somewhere" doesn't mean the protesters injured them. You (and sometimes journalists) read things into police press releases that just aren't in there.
  - x3ro 7y ago
    It's not about me, I know this. But I also know the reactions (and outrage) of the general public, who think "those violent protestors" are at it again, attacking the police. Intent is not magic. Even if the police intended to "simply provide some numbers" they (!) need to factor in the reaction of the general public and the media, because they are, in part, responsible for upholding democratic values, of which freedom to protest happens to be one.

Semaphor 7y ago

> But they were injured during the police action? Yes, but to many, it might sound like injuries due to protestors attacking them.

pluma 7y ago

If a police officer is doing something illegal, you are not legally required to comply. Also, Germany in theory has pretty strict laws about what is considered an appropriate level of force (which is why you're considerably less likely to see a German police officer reach for their gun because even drawing the gun is considered a massive escalation and may require them to file paperwork later). The objection to the reporting isn't that they weren't injured, it's that the numbers are used to portray protestors as violent even when the injuries were the direct result of police violence. If I punch you in the face and break my hand, it's at least extremely misleading to report that as a fight in which both parties suffered injuries (mostly because "fight" implies you fought back).

x3ro 7y ago

If a police officer stops me for speeding and while giving me a fine dies of a heat stroke because it's really hot and they are dehydrated, did I kill that police officer? Because that seems to be the logic implied here.

Lev1a 7y ago
No, in that scenario he "died in the line of duty" or something similar to that.
blattimwind 7y ago
"XY officers were injured during a police action at protest somewhere" doesn't mean the protesters injured them. You (and sometimes journalists) read things into police press releases that just aren't in there.
- x3ro 7y ago
  It's not about me, I know this. But I also know the reactions (and outrage) of the general public, who think "those violent protestors" are at it again, attacking the police. Intent is not magic. Even if the police intended to "simply provide some numbers" they (!) need to factor in the reaction of the general public and the media, because they are, in part, responsible for upholding democratic values, of which freedom to protest happens to be one.