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What do you mean by fragile? I agree that it's a shit job, but I don't understand how that should make shitty behavior okay. With the power that's given to you

by x3ro 7y ago

What do you mean by fragile? I agree that it's a shit job, but I don't understand how that should make shitty behavior okay. With the power that's given to you as a police officer, the expectation simply must be that you don't misuse that power. Everything else is unacceptable, since you're the person enforcing the law. Who's gonna hold you accountable?

mk89 7y ago
I agree, I am just wondering when power starts to become misused from the legal point of view, because if you put yourself in those shoes you will understand that they are humans like me and you trying to enforce laws upon people that don’t give a damn about those laws. I really don’t doubt that there are bad apples abusing their power, and in some cases it’s really like that, however if you look at the overall, these policemen are often laughed at and insulted, or even hit. And what’s the payment for it? You mentioned that they increased the sentence to 3 years. Sure, when? Considering that prisons are full and that with a good lawyer you can get away with it fast.
- x3ro 7y ago
  > I am just wondering when power starts to become misused from the legal point of view That is indeed a good question, and one of the reasons why e.g. Amnesty has been telling Germany the second time in a row that we need an external (to the police) oversight of the police, because police oversight by the police hasn't been working very well, since they simply always say it was necessary force given the circumstances. > You mentioned that they increased the sentence to 3 years. Sure, when? The sentence was not increased, the bar for the "very serious case" sentence was lowered. E.g. one part of StGB 113 read before: * Whoever carries a weapon or dangerous item with the intent to use it against a police offer. The last part was simply removed in 2017 [0]. It now reads as: * Whoever carries a weapon or dangerous item. Nowhere is defined what a "dangerous item" might be, so essentially, in the current legal state, if you carry an Umbrella to a demonstration that could be a problem. [0] (German, sorry): https://www.buzer.de/gesetz/6165/al61066-0.htm https://www.buzer.de/gesetz/6165/al61066-0.htm Edit: It should also be mentioned that these cases are most often parole cases. This does not change the fact, though, that having been sentenced with such an offense will inevitably have a very serious impact on your life and employability, and lowering the bar for being sentenced with such an offense can have a serious chilling effect on people being willing to participate in political demonstrations, which I personally believe are an important part of democracy.
- icebraining 7y ago
  The existence of people who don't respect the law and the police is the whole point of having a police force! Your line of argument sounds like the Monty Python sketch where the soldier wants to leave the army because he might have to fight in a war.

by x3ro 7y ago

mk89 7y ago

I agree, I am just wondering when power starts to become misused from the legal point of view, because if you put yourself in those shoes you will understand that they are humans like me and you trying to enforce laws upon people that don’t give a damn about those laws. I really don’t doubt that there are bad apples abusing their power, and in some cases it’s really like that, however if you look at the overall, these policemen are often laughed at and insulted, or even hit. And what’s the payment for it? You mentioned that they increased the sentence to 3 years. Sure, when? Considering that prisons are full and that with a good lawyer you can get away with it fast.

x3ro 7y ago
> I am just wondering when power starts to become misused from the legal point of view That is indeed a good question, and one of the reasons why e.g. Amnesty has been telling Germany the second time in a row that we need an external (to the police) oversight of the police, because police oversight by the police hasn't been working very well, since they simply always say it was necessary force given the circumstances. > You mentioned that they increased the sentence to 3 years. Sure, when? The sentence was not increased, the bar for the "very serious case" sentence was lowered. E.g. one part of StGB 113 read before: * Whoever carries a weapon or dangerous item with the intent to use it against a police offer. The last part was simply removed in 2017 [0]. It now reads as: * Whoever carries a weapon or dangerous item. Nowhere is defined what a "dangerous item" might be, so essentially, in the current legal state, if you carry an Umbrella to a demonstration that could be a problem. [0] (German, sorry): https://www.buzer.de/gesetz/6165/al61066-0.htm https://www.buzer.de/gesetz/6165/al61066-0.htm Edit: It should also be mentioned that these cases are most often parole cases. This does not change the fact, though, that having been sentenced with such an offense will inevitably have a very serious impact on your life and employability, and lowering the bar for being sentenced with such an offense can have a serious chilling effect on people being willing to participate in political demonstrations, which I personally believe are an important part of democracy.
icebraining 7y ago
The existence of people who don't respect the law and the police is the whole point of having a police force! Your line of argument sounds like the Monty Python sketch where the soldier wants to leave the army because he might have to fight in a war.